Ethil wrote...
-_- Way to much text in all posts for me to answer to all your dumbness so I'll just limit myself to you PD.
Attack the arguments not the users Ethil.
What I am saying is that having a gun nearby will never make the situation safer, only more dangerous. You say you have them in self-defense? Tell that to the dude that got angry and snapped and gunned down the dude he was angry with. If no gun had been there, it'd most likely have ended in a fistfight, and no one would have gotten shot, hurt and maybe killed.
One of those men would have had a knife or a "Black Jack" for "self defense" in lieu of a firearm. Also the occurrence of such "crimes of passion" are not as frequent as you would like to believe. More often than some guy losing his temper and shooting another guy, it's usually some battered housewife who shoots her husband as he's violently beating her.
And you say that other things can be used to kill people with as well? Yea, but no one that goes outside with a hidden knife is ever thinking "hey, this is for self-defense", not unless you are completely retarded. Also, having a gun makes robbing people much more safer than having to get close to them to be any threat.
Thank you Ethil, Apparently I'm completely retarded for trying to find a legal way of defending myself when I go into Chicago, New York or many other large crime infested cities. I'm banned from carrying a firearm while I'm working as it's illegal to carry one in a commercial vehicle and it's also illegal to carry them across state lines without permits or something to that effect.
Before you say "you'll just end up getting shot". At least a knife and my makeshift cudgel can protect me against anything outside of a gun. Yes, I know how to disarm somebody but, giving me a knife increases my chances of getting away alive.
Criminals will still get their hands on guns. I detailed it above. Gang bangers and their associated scum will buy illegal guns that are channeled from Mexico through the military handing them over to cartels who will then pass them on to their dealers who will sell them to anybody with enough cash. Another way guns will end up in criminal hands is corrupt cops selling evidence from the evidence lockers. Don't say it can't happen because it has.
Self-defense? Ok, so if someone goes up to you and puts a gun to your face, you really think that even having a fucking tank in your pocket will help you? If you reach for it, you are DEAD. And as he is robbing you, he will also steal your gun, making the situation even worse.
Criminals avoid people who are openly carrying a firearm. The risk of the person fighting back is too great (unless the person is a crack addict or high on PCP and in that situation you'd rather be fighting a horde of zombies). Also the more guns in an area the more likely somebody can use their firearm to defend somebody else. There is a lot of evidence of events where people have used firearms to defend themselves (from store clerks being robbed) to people stopping a rape in progress or even assaults in progress. Lets end the demagoguery and argue by the use of empirical evidence, logic and facts.
I'm hoping for the sake of your neighbors that your statement was sarcastic in tone. Also, murders aren't carried out just because someone has a gun. There's usually a personal motive. Again, firearms are not responsible for homicides, people are.
What, you think people dun kill cause they are "good people"? Wrong, people avoid committing crimes cause they fear the punishment.
The murders are not carried out Cause of the gun, but With the gun. Again I say, if someone snaps and goes into berserker rage, do you think it is most likely that he will kill you if he has a gun or if he is unarmed? Even with a simple misunderstanding, a gunshot can fly, something that would not have happened if no gun were there.
You admit that crimes are committed with a gun but, not because of the gun. You keep arguing for the removal of guns despite that the crimes won't stop just the methodology. Gangs and dealers will still have access to guns. Gang violence won't diminish and that is a large part of our high homicide rates. Look at the American cities with the highest rates and look at the ones with the lowest rates. You'll see the connection.
'Zerker rage isn't a common crime. Even if the gun wasn't there, something else would be used, a knife, a fork, a tack hammer whatever. yes, a gun makes it easier but, is it really logical to disarm and entire country to make 'Zerker rage a little more difficult to commit? What about the increase in other crimes like home invasion?
Also Ethil Sweden doesn't have the rampant gang problems and low income problems that America has. You can feel safer in your country at night because your country is safer. You don't have to worry about Bloods, Crips, Folk Nation, La EME, Nuestra familia, Maniac Latin Disciples, Los Zetas,etc.
Macross made some very nice points in this
post. You probably neglected to read it since it has an opposing point of view.