leonard267 Posts
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
Xenon wrote...
Yes, I share that frustration and sense of wishing to know more about the pointless unknown, because really, it is pointless, isn't it? Funny that we want to know it so badly before we are able to attach in any form. I would question, why does it matter why he's outside? That he was on his way to see his lover, or that his old lady kicked him out of her basement, or that he saw a bit of currency fly away, or he was hunting for dinner, or he just likes cold, or he hates cold so he wants to leave it, or he wants to die, or he wants to live, the reader does not know, cannot know without more information, so wondering is pointless until more information is learned. All one can do in that situation is...continue to read while breathing in the experience this man is having. All you need to know at that point is that he is walking through really high snow, and that is likely not a good thing, because I wouldn't like to do that, but maybe I will read why he is doing it later. That's the best I can explain it, but allow me to argue for your point.
I once read a piece by a friend who is a pretty talented writer. He wrote about a girl in her room on a cold night waiting a long time for a text. However, throughout the whole short, it's never explained why she's waiting, what she's waiting for, how long she would wait, if this is romance or horror; the entire piece was simply about her waiting. I didn't like that concept very much at all. I, like you, wanted to know more. I thought that was the point of a story, that it would progress and we would learn more about their situation and perhaps learn something trivial for it, a moral or lesson. However, he told me there was nothing else, that it didn't matter. He wrote about the small experience of a sad girl simply waiting frustratingly for a text. However, I have to acknowledge that he did know something about writing, because he got a national award for English writing in his home country, which is an impressive feat. I still wonder about it to this day, and I suppose I try to learn from it.
I actually specialize in creative writing, so I need to learn these things, and you love writing non-fictional monologues, so those are different genres with a vast many differences I could never compile a list for. I think it's nice that we can come together and write something, however nonsensical it may end up being. That is why I am always encouraging your works, and also your participation in the communal stories.
I have to say though that the Pit and the Pendulum (Edgar Allan Poe's work) and Age of Anarchy are not stories without purpose. There is a plot. xninebreaker's winter contest entry treads this line between pure description and a story.
Even in the story that you described, I am sure that there is some introduction concerning girl like who she is if we were to be concerned about her waiting.
I am afraid that I am a utilitarian when it comes to written words. Writing was invented to facilitate communication and I heard that the first stories were fables with dark and grim endings but easily understood and told to warn and educate. I am very uncomfortable with the idea of writing for writing's sake.
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
Ezlare wrote...
Quick question to anyone really: have you ever gotten so attached to a character you created that you can't stop writing about him/her?I'm afraid I am a victim of this.
Who is that character?
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
Most of the details of who the characters are, where the setting is, is established later in the story or in the dialogue instead of being expressed at the point when the story begins (or least when the chapter or paragraph begins.
The reason why I don't put all that at the forefront is really because that's what the authors I'm trying to emulate do. I think the reason they do it is because they don't want to overload readers with too many of the details at once. Maybe I'm not doing the best job emulating them. I freely admit that just maybe, that's a possibility.
Not for me though. I find the exposition of a strange and unknown world very exciting to me which is why I loved the prologue to the Lord of the Rings which are effectively essays on the history of hobbits. I might mind it if it is clumsily tied in to the story like a schoolteacher or some other character spelling it for us.
If it were up to me, I would write the exposition in 3rd person.
I would like to review the first few chapters of Age of Anarchy someday and call it a Summer Event entry. Would that be alright with you? I hope that through this entry I can convey to you what I felt while reading it.
Xenon wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
It all has to do with me finding your style of writing disagreeable with my tastes and expectations in writing. Most of the details of who the characters are, where the setting is, is established later in the story or in the dialogue instead of being expressed at the point when the story begins (or least when the chapter or paragraph begins.Like d, I write in that style because most fiction authors do. Good creative writers bury the key details within the story because they aren't trying to tell you a story, they're trying to help you experience it yourself through describing what your senses would pick up on if you were in that situation.
Someone said to me once, do not tell your reader 'it was snowing and cold outside,' but act through description, such as 'he shivered as his feet plowed through the calf-high sheets of white dust.'
One is factual, the other is sensual.
I think this is where your difficulty stems, because you do prefer non-fiction and that is where you are particularly talented. You enjoy writing monologues and rants while some of us prefer writing an experience. I think if you prefer one style so much, it does make sense that you would understand it much faster, but I always find myself frustrated that I can't help you out in that endeavor. I wish I could, but I think the way we write has become so natural through experience.
I think it will help if you begin reading and tell yourself 'A lot of the things that will be described or written about are solely for the purpose of painting the scenery.' Perhaps in that way, important things may pop out harder?
I am not against writers going into description of what a character is seeing and his or her surroundings are. I am fine with 'he shivered as his feet plowed through the calf-high sheets of white dust.' However, I would like to know why he is out in the cold in the first place. Is he going to visit someone? Is he lost? Is he heading for work? Is he in a fantasy setting where the entire world is plunged into a perennial winter because of man-made global cooling? Is he a masochist who wants to suffer in the cold?
If the writer continues to describe how the person felt and the scenery without telling me why he is in that situation in the place, I would be turned off because I have no idea why I should care for him. It is exactly why I disliked Edgar Allan Poe.
I have suggested that d can write at least one paragraph introducing the
setting of the story or exposition for this reader to understand what is happening. Yet, I remember d saying that he hated exposition (while I loved it) for the reasons he stated just now that it would ruin the mood of the story.
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
high_time wrote...
well, as long as I'm able to understand the main point, it's fine. I'm not sure if I understood the story properly like the writer's intention though. I mostly just skimmed things through and look up on the key points in which the plot was hinted to progress. for example, the characters' significant actions and dialogues, locations, and some 'topical' sentences.Personally, I would like it if the main point is expressed at somewhere easy to see like the beginning or at the first paragraph. I blame it on my newspaper reading habits. Everything is in the headline or the opening paragraph!
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
I will try to go through them even though I have difficulty understanding what is written. I think that only applies to me though seeing that the rest could understand it.Honestly, I think most of your trouble comes from you thinking too hard, searching for meaning in details that have little to none.
Given these circumstances, the story can go in any direction it wants to.
Exactly. You not making a post directing the story away from hermaphrodites definitely won't help, Rise.
Xenon wrote...
Oh, absolutely. Good to hear that you'll be adding to it, and I wish you much luck and success.Thank you.
Not exactly though I am sure you got that impression after reading my responses to the things you come up with. After reading through what you wrote, I found myself unable to understand the story properly so I clarified some details which I suspected were minor but could be relevant to the plot.
(An example of this would be my response to The Tempest where I asked whether the security guards were important to the story because it seemed to me that they dominated much of the dialogue in the first chapter.)
It all has to do with me finding your style of writing disagreeable with my tastes and expectations in writing. Most of the details of who the characters are, where the setting is, is established later in the story or in the dialogue instead of being expressed at the point when the story begins (or least when the chapter or paragraph begins.
That explains why I was completely lost when reading the prologue of Age of Anarchy and the first chapter.
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
I think I can safely say that I will FINALLY be adding new Age of Anarchy chapters in the very near future. Just saying in case anyone cares. You know you guys care.Spoiler:
Xenon wrote...
Anyway, high and leonard, the Private Eye is entirely set up at this point to be a hermaphrodite playhouse for the two of you for the next couple posts or so.Wait, what?
I will try to go through them even though I have difficulty understanding what is written. I think that only applies to me though seeing that the rest could understand it.
Xenon wrote...
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
I think I can safely say that I will FINALLY be adding new Age of Anarchy chapters in the very near future. Just saying in case anyone cares. You know you guys care.Spoiler:
Oh, absolutely. Good to hear that you'll be adding to it, and I wish you much luck and success.
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
Xenon wrote...
Anyway, high and leonard, the Private Eye is entirely set up at this point to be a hermaphrodite playhouse for the two of you for the next couple posts or so.Wait, what?
high_time wrote...
well I actually kind of preferred it to go in the normal way, but I'll try thinking up a continuation of it. nice job though =DNow, don't look at me. This was actually the natural progression ever since high turned Rise's wanted man into a wanted woman, then said Jacqueline was hunting gigolos. If gigolos are going to be working in a burlesque house, then a lot of them are going to also be catering to clientelle with more...questionable tastes, and not all of them women. Bound to be a lot of cross-dressing and she-males. The plot makes sense, I just knew high and leonard would have a field day with it because they write about it anyway regardless of if it makes sense or not, so at least it makes sense this time, given the circumstances.
I have to add that no one with the exception of high and me discussed how would the story proceed and what ought to happen next. Given these circumstances, the story can go in any direction it wants to.
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
DatYuriThough wrote...
Yeah that's fine, please post them if you wish.
I treat them like the inner most thought of the writer posted in a beautiful and passionate way that is open for anyone to interpret them as they wish. That way almost anyone can enjoy them and debate the meaning of them.
Here is an example of what I wrote a few months ago. Same silly style as before:
1. This was a response on how I would write a disaster 'poem' which are usually in very bad taste. The disaster in question is the financial crisis which probably ruined more lives than any other disaster:
Everyday ought to pass
With a disaster poem written for laughs:
Oh beautiful bonds, beautiful interest free bank loans!
Alas, I have to moan and groan.
It was some time quite late
In the year 2008
When my bonds turned into junk
And the banks won't give me loans cause they've sunk.
Savings in bonds are destroyed!
Investors are more than annoyed!
Lives and livelihoods are ruined!
Families are reduced to eating gluten!
Children are asking in class
How did that come to pass?
On that subject can I say
That lots of debtors on one fine day
Decided that they couldn't pay.
The creditors and the banks went astray
And observers went, 'this is gay'.
The banks refused to give
Firms and companies can no longer live
The economy is now stagnant
Not a good time to get pregnant.
What should be done
After what has been said and done?
For starters,
if this advice doesn't go into the gutters,
Don't let the speculators anywhere near the market for goodness sake!
Why don't you create a distinction between retail and speculative investment and real investment, give or take?
Real investors won't buy up debt from people who don't pay back what they own!
That said, get Medusa to turn these defaulters into stone!
Now that this poem is done
Shall we go on and talk about 911?
2. This is my description of the glowering Saber who so happened to be dressed in a Santa costume with the Santa Hat from the 'Nasuverse' or TYPE-MOON.
Woman, you usually look so glum
If I prodded you, you'd bite off my thumb
Now seeing you with a gift.
All of sudden makes that thing in my pants lift.
Now seeing you with that smile.
Makes me think that you stopped drinking bile.
Isn't it a shame that I can't see your face?
Take off that hat, it's a disgrace!
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
DatYuriThough wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
I am sure that you are not referring to an actual Bluebird aren't you? When it comes to poems, I would have to do a bit of interpretation. The poem strikes me as if it were describing the trouble one has to go through to take care of someone or something under his or her charge like a child or a company or his or her job prospects. What was on your mind while writing this?
The poem itself is more of a representation of pain and the 'Trials and tribulations' we are forced to go through in life whether it be physical or emotional.
No it's not a real Bluebird, I intentionally did it so you could interpret it any way but if you wanted to know what I was thinking, I was thinking about the suffering of people and how some wounds take longer to heal. This is seen in the reference to "broken wing" and then the literal meaning of this "broken heart" if that makes sense.
I see. The contents of the poem appeared to me to be what a parent or a minder would say to those put under their care. I have a few poems to share with you. Is it alright if I post them here?
I treat poems like a very short and truncated version of a much longer story, hopefully with little interpretation as possible. I don't really like having the reader to interpret what I write, even poetry.
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
Where is the above user's previous signature?
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
Princess Molestia wrote...
I have been trying for some time to come up with some absurd ideas for a fantasy story, so far its just a few names and little things... But the story needs to be crazy from the bottom up...This link might help:
https://www.fakku.net/forums/writing-and-fanfiction/wf-section-story-collaboration-the-boring-boy
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
lel, dat red light district
A detective story wouldn't be complete without one.
Princess Molestia wrote...
I have been trying for some time to come up with some absurd ideas for a fantasy story, so far its just a few names and little things... But the story needs to be crazy from the bottom up...Have you considered having it set on a gigantic walrus named Paul who hates pop music?
The Boring Boy of course is a good example of a story that ran off its rails. I have yet to see you write about your dislike for Paul McCartney but you have played an invaluable role in making The Boring Boy a rather crazy story with the detachable noses.
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
Revelation wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
Revelation wrote...
Yo guysHello. How was your day? Are you going to add on to your entry for the event?
Lol just woke up and I can't find much time to. Been working constantly but I'm trying to when I get the chance.
I see. I am working on something myself and I am about to go to bed! I will leave my remarks about your entry for later until you are done with it. In the meantime, I hope I can share with you my tastes in writing and what I expect from myself in what I write.
To put it simply, I would like what I write to convey meaning properly. I would like what I write to make sense to me. I blame this preference in reading on my newspaper reading habits.
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
Revelation wrote...
Yo guysHello. How was your day? Are you going to add on to your entry for the event?
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
high_time wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
Any ideas in your head you would like to share or would you like to surprise me instead?
i'm probably going to write about my summer vacation being filled with summer classes instead and complaining about various things too.
Splendid! I love anecdotes. If you could include what you had to go through for these courses, all the better.
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
high_time wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
Are you coming up with anything yourself?after this 30th, yeah =)
Any ideas in your head you would like to share or would you like to surprise me instead?
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
high_time wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
Insurance was involved. That story wasn't that long really. I will try to work on the story that I have in mind for the event but as of now, I am rather busy dealing with spreadsheets.
good luck on it =)
Are you coming up with anything yourself?
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
high_time wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
The trouble is I don't know. Troubling. I suppose I am covered for life insurance and hospitalization insurance, the usual must-haves.
Why are talking about insurance anyway? You intend to write a story about insurance? Someone did it long ago.
https://www.fakku.net/forums/writing-and-fanfiction/business-as-usual
well, I guess it kinda serves as an emergency deposit in case something happens, because we cannot really hold on to much cash for long without the risks of crime happening to our finances.
can you summarize what happened in the story?
Insurance was involved. That story wasn't that long really. I will try to work on the story that I have in mind for the event but as of now, I am rather busy dealing with spreadsheets.
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
high_time wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
There is a mandatory savings scheme for every citizen in my country. My parents are expected to set aside an amount for me to pay for it, that is until I am 21 I think.
i kinda heard it's a government insurance for your country, not sure if such systm exist in mine though.
so, what kind of benefits do that have?
The trouble is I don't know. Troubling. I suppose I am covered for life insurance and hospitalization insurance, the usual must-haves.
Why are talking about insurance anyway? You intend to write a story about insurance? Someone did it long ago.
https://www.fakku.net/forums/writing-and-fanfiction/business-as-usual
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
Sorry, I like to ask. Is this an event entry?
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
high_time wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
I am sure you have heard of premiums. I think mine is a few hundred a year?
hmm...probably, I kinda forgot.
well as long it doesn't hurt the paycheck too much, it's fine i guess?
There is a mandatory savings scheme for every citizen in my country. My parents are expected to set aside an amount for me to pay for it, that is until I am 21 I think.
leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
high_time wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
You have to pay for any insurance.
idk the ones in work though. maybe one portions of your wage goes to insurance? o-O
I am sure you have heard of premiums. I think mine is a few hundred a year?