leonard267 Posts
I've avoided commenting in this because I didn't have an actual answer, but an opinion on the subject. A subject I understood very little about but liked to believe I knew more about. I've informed myself since.
Depression, is not simple, in any manner. But to "attempt too" simplify, depression can be caused by external factors, internal factors, or damage to the brain.
External factors of depression can be events or environment that induces (often) temporary experiences of depression. These, for the most part, can be worked out by the individual, but if left unattended could cause problems.
Internal factors, the chemical mind. Neurotransmitter govern a large portion of mood, and imbalances in them, specifically Serotonin (which regulates mood, hunger, and sleep) and Dopamine (which regulate emotion, movement, learning, and attention) can cause problems (Depression, among other things) in low amounts. But I've also read Norepinephrine also aids in depression when in low amounts, but I don't yet know much about this neurotransmitter. Then there's the affect of Hormones on mood. (5%+ of the population is said to suffer from chemical imbalances that result in depression.)
Then there's trauma to the brain which have been linked to being able to cause strong cases of depression, and quite often, a resulting suicide.
Yes, to some extent, people can manage through their depression, but that depends on what's inducing it. If it persist, as opposed to gambling, I would say it's better to get qualified opinions, seeing as depression can lead to fatal outcomes.
So to answer the basic question, "Can one overcome depression by themselves". Under specific situations (external cause) to an extent (being able to remove the cause).
Depression, is not simple, in any manner. But to "attempt too" simplify, depression can be caused by external factors, internal factors, or damage to the brain.
External factors of depression can be events or environment that induces (often) temporary experiences of depression. These, for the most part, can be worked out by the individual, but if left unattended could cause problems.
Internal factors, the chemical mind. Neurotransmitter govern a large portion of mood, and imbalances in them, specifically Serotonin (which regulates mood, hunger, and sleep) and Dopamine (which regulate emotion, movement, learning, and attention) can cause problems (Depression, among other things) in low amounts. But I've also read Norepinephrine also aids in depression when in low amounts, but I don't yet know much about this neurotransmitter. Then there's the affect of Hormones on mood. (5%+ of the population is said to suffer from chemical imbalances that result in depression.)
Then there's trauma to the brain which have been linked to being able to cause strong cases of depression, and quite often, a resulting suicide.
Yes, to some extent, people can manage through their depression, but that depends on what's inducing it. If it persist, as opposed to gambling, I would say it's better to get qualified opinions, seeing as depression can lead to fatal outcomes.
So to answer the basic question, "Can one overcome depression by themselves". Under specific situations (external cause) to an extent (being able to remove the cause).
Well theirs
-Macross (dunno which one it was, I can only guess the original)
-Sailor Moon
-Pokemon
-DBZ, Outlaw Star, Tenchi Muyo and Tenchi in Tokyo (I did watch Tenchi Universe too, but that only confused me since I didn't understand the connection to Muyo), something I'm forgetting from tonami Gundam Wing and 8th MS, that I all watched at the same time.
-Lain.
In this order.
I wouldn't say any "one" anime got me into it, but rather, the collection of these series, in the 90's, combined with the help of a friend of mine in introducing me to fansubs, is what lead to my interest in anime growing to what it is now.
I will say though, Outlaw Star, Tenchi Muyo, 8th MS, and especially Lain, had the biggest influence on me.
-Macross (dunno which one it was, I can only guess the original)
-Sailor Moon
-Pokemon
-DBZ, Outlaw Star, Tenchi Muyo and Tenchi in Tokyo (I did watch Tenchi Universe too, but that only confused me since I didn't understand the connection to Muyo), something I'm forgetting from tonami Gundam Wing and 8th MS, that I all watched at the same time.
-Lain.
In this order.
I wouldn't say any "one" anime got me into it, but rather, the collection of these series, in the 90's, combined with the help of a friend of mine in introducing me to fansubs, is what lead to my interest in anime growing to what it is now.
I will say though, Outlaw Star, Tenchi Muyo, 8th MS, and especially Lain, had the biggest influence on me.
TenshiTessa wrote...
bakapink wrote...
TenshiTessa wrote...
In Valverave The Liberator, with the rape scene then how quickly they changed the lead male character's love interest.Infinite Ryvius spoiler...
Spoiler:
You mean the Valverave characters? Oh yeah, they're all pretty forget-able except for Renbokouji Akira, she's a NEET and is afraid of the outside world but has some pretty good character development.
I have to wonder if that has to do with the possibility that she might be the most relatable character for the writer and a possibly large portion of the audience, giving more scope and perspective from that position. From what I saw (didn't finish the series) of her, she Frau Koujiro from Robotics;Notes were very similar. That personality type, hikikomori type, seems to be becoming bigger.
TenshiTessa wrote...
In Valverave The Liberator, with the rape scene then how quickly they changed the lead male character's love interest.Infinite Ryvius spoiler...
Spoiler:
-Sailor Moon
-Gekan Shoujo Nozaki-kun
-Space Dandy
-Persona 4 Golden
-Tokyo Esp
-Tokyo Ghoul
The long explanations and excluded series from my list that I'll be watching.
-Gekan Shoujo Nozaki-kun
-Space Dandy
-Persona 4 Golden
-Tokyo Esp
-Tokyo Ghoul
The long explanations and excluded series from my list that I'll be watching.
Spoiler:
Hitsugi no Chiaka opening
Knights of Sidonia opening and ending
Blade and Soul ending (especially the dance)
I haven't viewed Jojo/Mushishi S2 yet, I'm procrastinating on finishing the first seasons, so if I like/dislike the S2 opening/endings I wouldn't know yet.
Ranking wise... dunno... I guess Sidonia's opening over Chiaka's, and Sidonia's ending tied with BaS's.
Knights of Sidonia opening and ending
Blade and Soul ending (especially the dance)
I haven't viewed Jojo/Mushishi S2 yet, I'm procrastinating on finishing the first seasons, so if I like/dislike the S2 opening/endings I wouldn't know yet.
Ranking wise... dunno... I guess Sidonia's opening over Chiaka's, and Sidonia's ending tied with BaS's.
xhimitsu wrote...
Choujigen Game Neptune
Ikoku meiro no Croisée
Tantei Opera Milky Holmes
Made me think of shows with certain subject matters. Shows that resemble K-on set up of "a group of, often 4-5 females, doing irrelevant things for the purpose of looking attractive (moe) for the camera (often with shoujo-ai/yuri undertones)".
Gochuumon wa Usagi Desu ka once it reminded me of "Yama no Susume"
Yama no Susume once it reminded me of "Tamayura".
Tamayura once it reminded me of other things leading up to "Minami-Ke"
Minami-Ke once it reminded me of Ichigo Mashimaro, but not as funny, comedy being subjective anyways, which is what made Ichigo Mashimaro an enjoyable experience for me.
Senra Kagura... Looked like Himawari! with 10x the fanservice replacing most everything else, and I had a hard time getting into "Himawari!", so I wasn't willing to try.
Vivid Red Operation... Reminded me too much of Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha, but with the type of over used main character that, in my many years of watching anime, I've only grown to detest at this point. (specifically) Once I got the gist of the protagonist personality I lost interest.
Galileo Donna, I really tried with this one, I wanted to be interested, but I just fell out of that bit of interest I had by episode 6-7. I was really hoping for a Coyote Ragtime like series from this one. It wasn't a "specific" scene but the direction the series shot for, which I felt was a lower bar than it could achieve.
(My growing detest for anything idol related should be known already from my last post in this thread. The only one I can manage is AKB49, which keeps me interested with the crossdressing, but is typical, for me. Outside of the crossdressing setting the series leaves me bored most of the time. So much so, I am stuck on volume 5 (I think) trying to motivate myself to continue.)
Typical (for me) Harems...
Seikoku no Dragonar, (specifically) when I could jump episodes without it harming the story.
Da Capo (whatever number their on)
Dansai Buri no Crime Edge
Unbreakable Machine Doll
Freezing S2
Strike the Blood, literally felt like I was watching "To Aru no Majitsu"... (specifically) Once this happened, around the second ark, I dropped it.
To Aru no Majitsu (s3), I swear I finished s3, but out of uncertainty I watched it again, and I still feel uncertain...
Maken-Ki (specifically) I stopped around the 3rd-4th volume of the manga, when it still hadn't gone anywhere.
Typical (for me) reverse Harems...
Amnesia
La Corda d'Oro
Kamigami no Asobi
Diabolik Lover
(Most Harem series, if ever, brings 1 or 2 new things to the table while the rest is something I've seen too many times before to get excited for. Is it too much to ask for something that doesn't have the entire opposite sex of the cast revolving romantically around a protagonist, displaying that they literally have nothing better to do but...)
Danganronpa... I couldn't understand the appeal. It kinda felt like Higurashi no Naku Koro ni in regards to the looming dark undertone, but the characters were too flat, the significance of death was glossed over, the whole situation was too rushed into a "believable scenario", and the perpetrator is... underwhelmingly stereotypical. An asshole who enjoys killing but can't be killed. I would have tried if the series wasn't as blatantly uncaring for it's cast as it was. (specifically) The effortless death of the snobbish idol is what killed it for me.
Arpeggio of Blue Steel: Ars Nova... Couldn't figure out the appeal and goal... It ultimately reminded me too much of Gun Parade March (the Manga), but no where near as interesting, for me. I don't have a specific scene, but the overall first episode only made me miss my lost "3rd(final) volume" of Gun Parade March.
Valvrave... Reminded me too much of Infinite Ryvius which was so much more deeper and better thought out for an overall more interesting experience. Wasn't a specific scene but the overall of what I watched kept reminding me of how Infinite Ryvius did it better while this series half asses it, till I just couldn't take it anymore and dropped the series around mid way.
Akuma no Riddle... I really tried with this series... The settings, convictions, and motivations were too ridiculous for me to follow... It just made me want to re-watch Noir, Black Cat, Darker than Black, Kite, or any other assassin based animes that I was able to get into a lot easier. (specifically) the protagonist instantaneous change of fidelity.
TLDR...
Since I've been watching anime for a long time, things I see too often start to rub me the wrong way, and the series I see of a higher standard causes me to apply it to other series with expectations that they should also "aim for better as opposed to recycle the norm". Blade and Soul validated my thinking in this regard. Trailing off... With as much as I've watched, it's hard to settle for something I've seen too many times before.
Sprite wrote...
Spoiler:
I love you so much right now...
On topic: My anime physical form would probably be a stereotype, seeing as most everything I represent is highly under represented in Anime.
My "chuunibyou"... hmm... I like to write a lot of stories, but I don't particularly plug myself in... But if I made a story with the aim of me being the protagonist, I would probably look like... (I never thought about this before, I'm having a hard time in figuring out what kind of story I'd like to have for myself...) Maybe like final fantasy Black Mage's, specifically 9.
Though this is cool looking
Spoiler:
(Except I hate pointy tip shoes...)
If I wasn't limited in apparel, I'd have a rather huge wardrobe with a huge range in variation.
EmiyaKiritsugu wrote...
AAaaaaaannnnnd there goes my armored core franchise that I love so much.The future looks grim for old school mech lovers of From Software.
I believe Armored Core 6 was announced for 2015.
Wiki seems to suggest the same.
What was Greece's previous previous party and their stance on economic issues?
And did anything change in Germany?
Also, what are the alternatives suggested for the Euro? Along with other promises made by the winning parties, if anyone knows?
I know very little about EU's politics, so reading these conversations are interesting.
Can I assume the UKIP party is similar to the US's GOP in wanting to weaken ties with other country's (outside Israel), favoring businesses, and with a strong religious image?
And did anything change in Germany?
Also, what are the alternatives suggested for the Euro? Along with other promises made by the winning parties, if anyone knows?
I know very little about EU's politics, so reading these conversations are interesting.
Can I assume the UKIP party is similar to the US's GOP in wanting to weaken ties with other country's (outside Israel), favoring businesses, and with a strong religious image?
Tell me if I missed it...
I really wish they would show the opposition to the Cursed Children. What are the claims against and who is making them? Why do people want them gone so badly, especially when they can't survive without.
You don't normally try to chase out the military that is defending you from invasion, so I find the hatred of Cursed Children, only factoring in "that they are slightly different" really weird. They aren't even Cursed Children used as an example of the danger they impose on people. As far as the show depicts, Cursed Children are (mostly) free of sin, harmless towards humans and never wishing ill will on those who treat them worst than the monsters would.
(I know with my last statement, people can equate Slavery, but I don't see any similarities between the Cursed Children and Slavery. With segregation as a byproduct of Slavery and Nationality and the mindsets adopted in those times, I don't include it either.)
I really wish they would show the opposition to the Cursed Children. What are the claims against and who is making them? Why do people want them gone so badly, especially when they can't survive without.
You don't normally try to chase out the military that is defending you from invasion, so I find the hatred of Cursed Children, only factoring in "that they are slightly different" really weird. They aren't even Cursed Children used as an example of the danger they impose on people. As far as the show depicts, Cursed Children are (mostly) free of sin, harmless towards humans and never wishing ill will on those who treat them worst than the monsters would.
(I know with my last statement, people can equate Slavery, but I don't see any similarities between the Cursed Children and Slavery. With segregation as a byproduct of Slavery and Nationality and the mindsets adopted in those times, I don't include it either.)
nacho wrote...
Played this game enough and came to the conclusion that I like it. Now I have to wait for the alpha wipe. ;_;Alpha wipe has been confirmed?
Reading some comments, trying to catch up to what is known, Neople had Facebook events in which they were giving away Avatar Sets. This seems weird, if they are gonna wipe.
And with the Alpha not having an end date, and considering how Nexon handled open Beta to complete.
One of the guesses is something along the lines of keeping character data but deleting Avatar data (maybe with exception to those items given by the developers).
But with how vague they are being with everything, I can't imagine them wiping everything with the kind of backlash that would contain. Sure people can claim it was an alpha, but alpha doesn't automatically equate to wiping. Some people pointed out that "alpha's" are normally for testing servers, and changing/updating the client shouldn't effect character data.
Sigh... I've gotten my Necro up to 48 under the belief that this is not in vain... I don't want to give up unless it's really pointless. if it's not pointless, their are a lot of things I can obtain now that I probably won't be able too once Beta starts. Keys/Avatars/Creatures... And if we can keep these...
JGPS wrote...
In that case yes, you're right that would be a good thing. But the cynicism in me says that none of the leaders actually wants anything like that kind of accountability.I realize this, but this is simply speaking in terms of desirability.
Mahatma Ghuandi and Martin Luther King proved otherwise. There are other forms of leverage than military power.
JGPS wrote...
Canada got it's independence and sovereignty via diplomacy before them. I know it can be done.US doesn't teach much (any) Canadian history, outside the basic colonization, only time it ever covers other countries, it has to be ancient history or European history older than 200 years or specifically about major events/people. The more I learn about other countries history, the more I find my middle/high school history classes mostly useless. Off topic though...
JGPS wrote...
But note that all these cases are English (as in speaking, America inclusive) and European cultures using more or less European ideals and values to push forward their cause non-violently.I have to study more about Gandhi, but Europe or not (other nations), Americans really don't care for any of them. Anything, from outside America, is met with a default hostility as "backwards/communistic". I'll admit speaking English probably helped their cause, but it being European or not wouldn't have changed anything for Martin Luther King Jr and the fight against segregation. It was simply a request for equal treatment, nothing complicated or difficult, or something that required looking at another nation for. It was something that was desired (to my understanding) from the American founding fathers themselves. Because it was non-violent, military (federal) intervention couldn't be used without shaming America and completely dividing America again, the risk of another civil war was present. (People still re-enact it in the south...) This is opinion of course, I might find out more if I read some documents by those in office from back then, but I hate reading (Love books though).
I don't fully understand what you mean by "European culture and ideals", but I think I addressed it. But, opinion, I would think that Gandhi's protest was a clash "against" European culture and those ideals, for Gandhi's and his followers own ideals.
JGPS wrote...
When dealing with middle eastern warlords or central American dictators it's not the same. Many of them won't give a damn if you go on a hunger strike, they'll just view you as an enemy that destroys himself and move on. I'd opine that that kind of peaceful resistance only has a chance in the context of a cultural morality that respects it. Most do not.
I believe there's more to be gained out of such protest than simply a clash of morality. A exhibition of unified thought, that if pushed enough, could even become violent, requesting a peaceful means of an end to the cause they are fighting against. Hypothetically, while dictators could send, what is left, of there army on 80% of the population, the stress and insecurity it can cause for said regime, and the fear of them turning violent (including those in their own military), the possibility of their neighbors and friends changing sides. I would think is a viable option. And with this, you have people who created change from a peaceful base as opposed to a violent base. If conflict between ideals are met from within the protesters, peaceful means would be strongly sought before anything else. (I'm using Egypt's reaction to Morsi, which may have not even needed the violence, as an example of a violent revolution maintaining the violence.)
As for Warmonger/Warlords... As much as I prefer peaceful means, I am a hypocrite. I can not find myself being able to believe wholly in the ideals of peaceful resolution. I believe that peace, or the type wanted, has be something that can be understood by all sides, to be achieved. If a person "only" ever knows how to deal with conflict by killing, and when they are in a position of power, they are incredibly dangerous and I don't believe negotiation is a viable option. Even if they can be talked down, the resentment they've collected through their misdeeds would be too strong to forgive for those who suffered under, and can breed even more chaos...
Peaceful protest unites people, for a difficult and violent cause, under a peaceful means, that, as it grows in numbers, pushes those in opposition into the corner. Not just from within the country by also by those watching from outside. (I'm breaking this down for simplicity sakes, I realize major countries getting involved through "alliances", make these things all the more complicated... but under the pretense that no country involves themselves by buying out the government.)
JGPS wrote...
Nuclear weapons lets us live in peace becasue of MAD. Because everyone is imposing everyone can come to the table for discussions. If someone is unimposing, like the Ukraine, and someone else wants to take their land, like Russia, they can do it. No amount of gentalmanliness will dissuade them from what they want........Yes, thus it stops major scale wars like world wars. It also protects people with strong allies.
Using.. "Peace is an occurrence of harmony characterized by the lack of violence, conflict behaviors and the freedom from fear of violence." -wiki
I don't consider this, or your examples of history, as anything that can be defined as anything more than "delusional perceptions of peace". True peace, is something I gave up on a long time ago as something only capable of existing in ideal. Efforts can be taken to get closer to this "ideal", but it ultimately can never be fully achieved.
And all it takes is a suicidal world power with a cause to end it all. I would hardly call "people holding guns to each other head attempting to look for and execute any means to disarm the other of their gun" any form of peace.
JGPS wrote...
That is naive. All lasting peaces in history are that way. The seeds of peace are fertilized by the blood of soldiers. Even Pax Romana was Rome with a sword to everyones necks too. It seems to me that history either has a period of war or a period of a dominant military power. Nukes only change the game in making many powers 'dominant'.
To quickly clarify, I use "suicidal" in relation to those who seek "war" or armed conflicts. It may be "peace" for the nation with the gun, but those without are terrorized, far from the "ideal of peace". You used Rome as an example, which was prosperous due to their power, but those around them suffered greatly from.
In that way, current countries are forced under the near dictatorship of horrible regimes in exchange for alliance with those with the guns. Where the guys with guns hand them out to anyone who will fight for their cause, militarizing radical groups. Best example, Osama Bin Laden, being funded and militarized by America to fight Russia, turning against America. There are other examples of groups militarized by the US or Europe, many in Africa, the events of Rwanda for example, that created chaos and suffering. (A lot of the suffering there is explicitly due to the West, even up to this point. (Tracing arm sells.)) I would never call this peace, any "perception of peace" attained by the ones with "guns" is simply self sought delusion that ignores the reality outside their everyday.
JGPS wrote...
What else do nations barter with? Military power, economic power, social power, territory.I would prefer you define Economic and Social power a bit more, I don't understand what those are supposed to be.
Economic wise, fusing currency or increase currency exchange rates. Economic stimulus or import/export deals. Jobs.
Social relations helps greatly, tourism brings in a lot of outside money. Humanitarian acts, that lowers the severity of poverty, such as food and medicine.
Ya, territory can be given, traded, sold.
These are the few I can come up with off the topic of my head.
JGPS wrote...
I honestly don't think people take that much of a simplistic view. Or rather, people who follow the politics understand more or less why the things happened, and the ones that don't don't really understand what a sanction is enough to have a strong opinion on it.I think using America as an example should work well enough...
General public follows what media portrays and the general consensus of the country. Example, America's readiness to invade the Middle-East without questioning the validity of the statements made by the Bush administration, or the reasons given for. Media outlets portray an incredibly bias view, and people "are" stupid enough to take it at face value.
I can not make claims about Russia's media outlets, but for all I know, they could be justifying their actions, to their people, while everyone else, outside the country, objects, in a very similar fashion as America did/does.
Politics, in the US, is one side stand for one thing, so the other side absolutely doesn't and refuses to compromise because "compromising = weak". This lead to the our Government being shut down for 2 weeks, costing us greatly. The side who shut it down, trows out ridiculous reasons to justify their actions, and their constituents believes and agrees, without a single shred of doubt, because it was told to them by a representative of "their side".
Politics have been reduced to a matter of "sides" that decide what you want, as opposed to formulating independent ideas from data collected. (It's like the Olympics where people cheer for representatives of their country, as opposed to people they may find favor with.) And media outlets are the means in which they use to decide for the people.
To shorten this, I greatly disagree... A lot of people are so simplistic, to have others tell them what to think/feel and why they should, regardless of the legitimacy of the statements. I realize there are different forms of politics, and the example of America, is an incredibly poisoned (by greed) example, but I wanted to provide a different example of and the use of media to influence vthe easily shifted national consensus as an old thing.
JGPS wrote...
Canada is OK, our import\export debt is relatively stable, though our municipal spending is terrible.But yeah, Russia is scary cause they don't have that problem. They actually have a balanced economy more or less.
The regulation of your banks helped greatly by comparison to our unregulated system.
Russia makes a lot of money by exporting arms, especially to China.
JGPS wrote...
I'm not. Even Catholic Jerusalem was not supported directly by the HRE other than a military presence. If there's no resources there usually isn't any major government support of holdings.HRE? Holy Roman Empire?
And America's support of Israel belies your statement.
Sou Yaguruma wrote...
Why can't they just fucking animate Trauma centerInstead of another purseowner
god
I just want to see people get opened (and glorious Tonegawa)
What the fuck Atlus
6 years overdue
This or Phoenix Wright or Ghost Trick. (I know, capcom, but these are portable games I'd like to see animes out of.)
On another note, I guess I'll watch this since I won't be shelling out for a Vita anytime soon and finding SMT Games, in retail stores, is ridiculously hard after their initial release. So I really don't expect to be playing Golden anytime in the future.
Really hope they let us keep the alpha character data, but I can't imagine them keeping the nexon client... I could imagine the NX as a sort of apology for those who lost everything from nexon... But it just seems too good to be true.
Edit: and thank you for bringing this to my attention guys... super happy to get my battle mage/mech/witch back!
Edit: and thank you for bringing this to my attention guys... super happy to get my battle mage/mech/witch back!
JGPS wrote...
Don't assume people aren't talking just becasue it isn't in the media. But it DOES look like Russia and the west are clashing once again.What I am talking about are "public talks" on the world stage, where representatives hold accountability.
JGPS wrote...
Yes, you do have to show the willingness. World politics is not schoolyard games. Passiveness is not permissible. If you have no power you have no leverage to negotiate.Mahatma Ghuandi and Martin Luther King proved otherwise. There are other forms of leverage than military power.
JGPS wrote...
Nuclear weapons lets us live in peace becasue of MAD. Because everyone is imposing everyone can come to the table for discussions. If someone is unimposing, like the Ukraine, and someone else wants to take their land, like Russia, they can do it. No amount of gentalmanliness will dissuade them from what they want.It prevents those with "nukes" from attacking each other with nukes. Cyber Warfare, terrorism, and bullying/extortion of countries without still goes on. As long as you can sweep up anything that traces back to the source, or have something you can use as a trade off for failure, it still happens. And all it takes is a suicidal world power with a cause to end it all. I would hardly call "people holding guns to each other head attempting to look for and execute any means to disarm the other of their gun" any form of peace.
JGPS wrote...
Too many people think like that nowadays. You can't come in and bring nothing to the table in this game. You have to think in terms of dealing with someone completely different than your mindset.I don't see power and/or coercion as the only two things that can be brought to the "table", or the only things that ever makes any kind of influence. The nation's leaders are not the only ones who need to be convinced.
JGPS wrote...
I think you're right about that. Part of the reason for putting the sanctions in place is the ability to offer to lighten them later.Doing the sanctions first then offering to lighten them later shows you're willing to do the sanctions in the first place, where talking first and threatening sanctions shows doubt that no one can afford.
I don't think the G8 will be back anytime soon though.
But countries that shows sanctions without any form of negotiation, in the peoples eyes, only accumulate resentment from that country's people who are the ones who end up suffering (leaders simply take a blow to their public image, if people are hesitant/divided in their opinion of). It can even be used as a source of accountability for future instability in the countries economy later on down the line.
No one is disillusioned about affordability (with exception to those who refuse to inform themselves), the West is in a shit load of debt. Most country's economy are in the crapper and a google (news) search will inform anyone in how unstable ~insert country~ is.
Pretending to be able to afford it is one of the things that prolonged the Vietnam War and one of the things that allowed Iraq/Afghanistan. So I can't find myself agreeing with financial bluffs.
JGPS wrote...
I'm curious as to how you think it would have avoided the cold war? Even without the visible show of power both Russia and America had an idea of what those weapons could do. Perhaps a more ignorant general public would have been more willing to push the cold war too far if not for the trageties of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.Talks to avoid making them could have been in place of talks to avoid use of them. And it was the arm race that pit America and Russia against one another so hard. While America did demonize Communism, we didn't have a direct conflict between each other (to my knowledge) till we became a threat to one another. Once we did, it became a mission to arm ourselves and our allies with enough firepower to destroy our enemies and their allies.
and the...
JGPS wrote...
Since I translate the bomb drop just as much a threat to Russia's intimidating power displayed against Germany and Japan, pushing them into developing bombs of their own.
Ah, I see. That could be.
JGPS wrote...
I'm curious as to why you think these kinds of talks aren't happening at all?I've yet to see articles from either side depicting any form of "in the public's eyes" talks.
JGPS wrote...
Esperanto? :DI had never heard of this before... Really interesting... Still learning Japanese, JavaScript, Ruby, with Korean and C++ on hold, but I would like to learn this.
JGPS wrote...
That's part of why they're usually either resource rich or strategic or just declared territories without full rights.Your forgetting "religious fueled fights/claims to land" such as the ones waged in the Middle East by the Muslims, Christians, and Jews that have been waged for hundreds of years.
Reaperzwei wrote...
bakapink wrote...
I'm well aware of that, but if I remember correctly, the final ok, was from president Harry Truman, who tried to negotiate Japan's surrender shortly before dropping the bomb, with an intent to avoid dropping it. If they had waited a week or two (forget how long information took to travel back then) longer for Russia's "Manchurian Strategic Offensive Operation", Japan may have surrendered without the use of the bomb.While they couldn't communicate as fast as we can now they still had telephones back then and for the long distance stuff they used telegraphs still I believe. They could hold a conversation within a day if need be.
The allies issued their terms for Japans surrender on July 26th. The Japanese knew about it that day. 2 days latter Japanese issued a statement to their people that they would not surrender. August 6th is when the first bomb was dropped.
A faction of the Japanese government wanted to surrender but they were wishing to talk to Russia about it and no one else. They wished to surrender on their terms which was keeping the emperor and keeping all of the territory that the allies had yet to take from them and keep their military and not be occupied. Basically they just wanted to stop and that's it everyone go home were done. However that was just a faction.
There were also factions that wished to keep fighting. In fact even after unconditional surrender was agreed to a Coup d'état was attempted by a faction of the military that did not want to surrender. Hell there was some soldier's that held onto remote positions for years after the war was over (one guy lasted into the 70's).
I was understanding it as, mostly from wiki, so I assume I can be wrong, but that... Harry Trueman called a week or two before the bombs were dropped, since the bombs and planes were not finished till a little less than a month before and the prep work wasn't done till two weeks before they were dropped. But Harry Trueman talked to Japan in advance to be able to call it off the mission.
And that it was not a faction but the highest authority of military leaders who demanded that they maintain their independence, military, and emperor's positions. They realized they were at a loss but didn't want to come out losing. With the combination of "Manchurian Strategic Offensive Operation" and the nuke drops on heavily civilian populated areas, the emperor went above the military and publicly announced Japan's unconditional surrender. Which I think took 1-2 days to reach the US president, and a week or 2 to reach all the fighting soldiers. And, as you said, some continued fighting regardless.
For people near a phone, communication was fast, but from the fields, it takes a lot longer. Especially when you have to piece together a large scale operation from the perspective of the soldiers fighting, and the ones they relay the messages too. To get a whole picture, it took quite awhile, back then. This is what I meant by the speed of traveling information, how long it would take to obtain and piece together the effectiveness of the operation, taking into account it's scale and duration, and then to relay it over secured information networks. If US and Russia were working in tandem, this may have taken a week or two to be relayed, during that time period, I would think.
And I don't remember much about them "wanting" to talk to Russia, but I do know that Russia and Japan had a pact (forgot the name, non-aggression treaty or something.) to not fight one another, which was broken, by Russia, with the Manchurian Strategic Offensive Operation. Any talks with Russia were pointless, Russia had already decided how they were going to act towards Japan.
I was expecting a lot more than what is shown from this series, I could settle for less of "Eureka Seven", but I was expecting something I could see as better than "Xam'd: Lost Memories". I enjoyed "Ao" more than I can enjoy this series. I've, lately, been trying to remember what's been established as of episode 7..
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