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leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...

Simply telling me info doesn't make me feel engaged with a story. It just feels like someone telling me stuff. This is especially true in the beginning when I don't even know why I should care about what you're telling me. I like learning about a character, but I like doing it through context as opposed to being told things that add context.


This is exactly the problem I have with what you write! Why should I care about what you're telling me that is.

What you prefer it seems to me is to start off right in the middle of the action with nothing explained and no context given. Of course you and other people who share your style would urge me to be patient and read on. This precisely what turns me off. Who is the character and what he is doing is not explained. Why should I care about him then?

When you read what I write however, you appear to dislike my style of not beginning the story in media res and introducing the characters and the world they are in. However, as a reader, if the author explains outright who our character is and what he does, I would say a context is provided and this would give the reader reason to care about the story. Yanker's entry I feel did that quite well by spelling out that he hunts demons.

If you were to write his story, I would imagine you describing in detail the crucifixes he has, the silver bullets in his revolver, the colour of whatever he is wearing and perhaps write out his demon warding incantations (which of course won't make sense). You would drop hints that I would find very hard to get about him being hired by someone to exorcise some demon in a house like a flashback of some named character who sorely needs an introduction coming out of nowhere pleading with him to slay some demon.

You might think it is very clear that he is an exorcist of sorts but I hate this kind of dot connecting especially when I find out I am wrong.



There's an exception to every rule. And of course, what I said isn't a rule so much as my opinion. I disagree however that just because you find something in a list means it needs to be presented as a list.


Of course. But this still begs the question, why didn't you like them presented as a list? They are very unconventional but succinct, brief and gets to the point which makes it funny in my opinion. Furthermore, I think it will be awkward if I said, James clicked on a website that says this, then proceeded to another website with very lousy web design that says that.
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
Jacob wrote...
Congratulations to the winners! You'll be getting three month FAKKU subscriptions on me, and I'll be giving Cinia Pacifica one as well for running another successful writing contest. I'll do my best to get these forums more active, so next time we have more entries!


One way to generate publicity must be to publicise this post as widely as possible. Already another attempt at trolling some section of the forum is forming in this user's mind.
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
Perhaps, but when things are done the way you do them, some people find it boring.


Wonder why. I don't find them boring, quite the opposite. I am learning more about a character that I hitherto don't know about. I am putting all of the things that he will be doing in some context. (Here, by establishing that our hero is dirt poor, it would make sense why he is so helpless in the event of a cold snap) Why is it boring for you?

On the other hand, I find your stories not to be engaging because I am completely lost after reading them, mostly because you are very stingy in giving important information. I have to go through your story word for word a number of times, and even after that there is still no guarantee that I will understand what is going on.

Because I saw some terms and my brain went "science mumbo jumbo!" and glanced over it. It's an excuse to have the weird weather driving the story. That's all I needed to know to continue. That said, it would be nice if it makes sense.


You might appreciate the story even better if you had some background knowledge of what I am satirising. It is real, doesn't make sense and I am making fun of it. I am sure that you have heard scientists attributing cold snaps to a warming climate and I am mocking that.

I suggest you read the news reports again in my parody then read about the migrant crisis and the effects of global warming.

The problem with treating people like idiots is the ones who pick up on it will be instantly turned off. Not sure how people can't understand what you're writing about.


They complain about the words I use being not in common usage and how I construct complex sentences for no good reason. I have failed in writing for idiots in that respect. I disagree that people would be turned off by simple writing. What matters is a good story and it needn't be presented in an arcane manner.


Lists are great when you wanna get information across in a paper or presentation, but this is a story!


So what? What is the problem with that if the context of the story allows for it? This is a list of things James found online so it makes sense for them to be placed in a list.
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
Sup. Read your new thingy.

As I've said before in the past, I don't like this kind of opening. I like stories that dump me into them without prefacing them with info like this. I like to find out that info as the story progresses, not before it starts.


I believe it is a matter of taste? I believe some people find it awkward. It certainly is if that is done in a movie but you are more than familiar with my take that the written word is a completely different medium because it cannot deliver audio and visual cues and so on.

There are classics that begin by introducing the characters and spelling out who they are. Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit certainly did that. I believe the Philosopher's Stone started by introducing Vernon Dursley right at the beginning. A Tale of Two Cities started by explaining the period it is set in. Romeo and Juliet started with a prologue that gave the whole story away!

I hope you won't mind me saying again that without this information, I would be completely lost. This is one of the major reasons why I don't take to what you write.


I don't think it would work like that in real life, but I guess that's not the point.


You might have noticed the satirical nature of this piece where I mock current affairs. There is some truth to it. Thinning ice makes it easier for polar bears to prey on seals. Seals also like thinning ice as it allows them to surface and take in air making them very vulnerable to polar bear predation. As to whether seal populations will drop, well, if you want to split hairs, then you are probably right.


Why would he unplug the TV rather than simply turn it off?


Because what he heard was 'bloody right wing propaganda'. I am curious here. Why are you asking these questions?! Shouldn't you be asking why the cold snap because of the cold wind coming from a warming Arctic? (Wouldn't it make sense if I wrote 'colder Arctic'?)


I think this part should be changed since you're telling us info that you just told us.


This will sound condescending but I treat my audience as if they are idiots. I am not doing it well enough though. A lot of people still say that they can't understand what I am writing about.


Toward the end of the story, I don't really like how you just give us lists of the info James finds. However, reading though them wasn't that bad. Because James isn't in the best of positions in life and I know he's bloody cold and wants to find out why, it makes me want to see him succeed at finding out why.


Why not I wonder? I like lists! It makes things easier to read! Why be complex when you can be simple?
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
No, no. You said something around the lines that this entry didn't adhere to the themes that well.


Yes. Isn't that what I basically said again in what you just quoted?




That was what I disagreed with. I didn't mean that you hate comedy.
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...


There are definitely elements of supernatural and horror in there. I just don't think they play that integral of a role to the entry. As for me not rating it highly because of it being an attempt at comedy, I will say that I've seen Zombieland and am 3 episodes into Ash vs Evil Dead, both of which are comedy horrors, and I think they're freaking awesome. This entry just didn't strike me as all that funny like I've already said.


No, no. You said something around the lines that this entry didn't adhere to the themes that well. It is of course a comedy but where horror and the supernatural play a very important role in the story. So I am of the belief that it fits the themes. As for whether comedy is enjoyable, well that is another matter.


PS: Read the parody of the other entry yet?
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
623 wrote...
There was seriously a heated argument about this?


Cruz wrote...
Tell me why you left you previous job.

Why did you leave your previous job?


Is the writing section genuinely filled with dummies, ;^) ?



It shouldn't be surprising considering that the Writing Section has a number of psychopaths! I am very, very familiar with the user who started this poll and he told me that he is considering coming up with more polls over silly and trivial matters like,

1. "Can you describe a moment when you feel like doing your best in work?"

"Describe a moment when you feel like doing your best in work?"

Can "Describe a moment when you feel like doing your best in work?" be considered a question?

a. Yes
b. No
c. Too long, didn't read.


2. How do you feel about being poor and Black in America?

a. Very good
b. Good
c. Bad
d. Very bad
e. F**k you

Someone should start another poll or a petition appealing to the powers-that-be to lock him up!
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
Xenon wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
Let me do a bit of Socratic questioning here. So you are saying, "Why did you leave your previous job?", to be an interview question but "Tell me why you left your previous job.", not to be an interview question?


I consider the first to be a question made during an interview and the second to be an instruction made during an interview, if both are requested by an interviewer during an interview. One is a question and requires the inclusion of a question mark at the end while the other is a command and requires no question mark.


It seems that we are in a deadlock Xenon. Only one way to resolve this. Subject this to a democratic vote!

https://www.fakku.net/forums/incoherent-babbling/tell-me-why-you-left-your-previous-job-question-or-not#4634405
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
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Link to pertinent post

It is very comforting in a way to see the pool of people who consider themselves those who frequent the Writing Section to dry and shrivel. This is a very justifiable sentiment to hold for quite a number of reasons. They tend to advertise what they write in the most annoying way possible, they tend to be incredibly argumentative, they tend to make mountains out a molehill, they tend to react to the mildest of criticism and they tend to conduct polls in the wrong section of the forum. Long time users may be familiar with this thread:

https://www.fakku.net/forums/incoherent-babbling/should-i-do-poetry-or-books

Alas, like stains caused by bodily fluids, users from the Writing Section just refuse to go away.

This poll is started because of an exercise in splitting hairs between two people who consider themselves part of the Writing Section. Does a question necessarily need to end with a question mark? After all, everyone has sat for an examination where some questions end in full stops / periods.

There was a heated argument and both sides are in a deadlock. One of them so happened to have the brilliant idea of resolving this dispute by putting that question to a democratic vote, that most esteemed way of resolving a dispute.

Here are the options which you, the participant in this poll, can choose.

1. Yes. The phrase "Tell me why you left your previous job." is a question because it is an interview question.

2. No. The phrase "Tell me why you left your previous job." is not a question because it does not end in a question mark and it is really a command. There is ought to be something called an interview command.

3. F*** you. This is the second most succinct answer to this question and indeed this poll and whoever came up with it. The more succinct answers are 'Yes' and 'No'.
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
Xenon wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
I wrote this parody with the US in mind of course. A lot of the humour in this parody is topical humour with many references to current affairs and I really wonder if people 10 or 20 years later would appreciate it. The words, "The government", feel a little awkward to me now that I have reread it. You don't use that phrase that often in political discourse do you? Normally, you would say Obama, Bush, Clinton or whoever is running the government instead of "the government".


I very much enjoyed reading this, and even laughed out loud to "bloody right wing propaganda." It's a very well-made parody of the original, with well-thought out reports and theories, referencing much of global concerns like global warming and population control. That much makes you think a little about how such things would play out in such a ridiculous situation.

The words "the government" are actually quite acceptable. Although many members of our far left or right sides would likely blame candidates for such things, there exist people who do blame "the government" for everything under the sun and they are called "libertarians." Other than "the government," they'll also blame "the president," "those blockheads in the senate," and "the morons in congress."


I was hoping that it might provoke a few thin skinned people though. Writing pieces like these is easy for me because all I need to do is to refer to current events. Coming up with original stories is a challenge for me. Not these however.

Thank you for clarifying how the US uses the phrase 'government'. I feared it didn't sound proper when I used in that parody.
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
Xenon wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
You don't say interview request or interview order do you? If an interviewer asks, "Tell me why you left your previous job.", I am sure we will still consider it an interview question, not an interview request.


I would call it a request or instruction made during an interview, regardless of your belief that people would normally call it an interview "question."


Let me do a bit of Socratic questioning here. So you are saying, "Why did you leave your previous job?", to be an interview question but "Tell me why you left your previous job.", not to be an interview question?
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
Xenon wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
I am sure you have come across an essay question that doesn't end with a question mark. This is no different.


Yes, it is no different in that there are essays that make requests of the participants, but a question, or a query, requires a question mark because it is posing something for the participant to answer. "Where do you live? What city were you born in? How old are you?" A request for information is usually asking for elaboration, it can be worded as a question, but if it is not worded as a question, but worded as a request or an order, then it is not a question, it is a request, or an order. "Explain to me where you live. Describe to me what city you were born in. Tell me how old you are." If you want to phrase the sentence as a question, I would suggest instead of saying "Describe a moment when you went beyond the call of duty to help someone," say "Could/Would/May you describe a moment when you went beyond the call of duty to help someone?" Though avoid using "Could/Can" since those usually end up with snarky responses like "Yes."



You don't say interview request or interview order do you? If an interviewer asks, "Tell me why you left your previous job.", I am sure we will still consider it an interview question, not an interview request.
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
Feedback time.

First, when picking a winner, we wanted an entry that made good use of the themes and for that reason, I just couldn't recommend your entry over the others. There are bits of the themes mixed in here, but none of them feel like they play a major role except for mystery which is undercut by the ridiculousness. This isn't necessarily a bad thing for the story, but it is in terms of the contest.


It is a really a matter of taste isn't it at the end of the day? Wonder if you agree that all of the themes are adhered to.

I would argue that the supernatural is quite prominent in this entry unless you don't consider humanoids with slimy skins and tendrils for hair as supernatural beings. I think the way the monsters reproduce is very unpleasant and unsettling. It can be considered horror. The supernatural and horror themes play a major role in this story surely! Without those, how can I come up with the twist that those women are really monsters that seduce men?

Glad you thought it is mystery even though I think this entry does the job of coming up with a mystery plot poorly compared to the other two themes. There is intentionally no resolution because I insist on doing a bizarre twist and more importantly because it is difficult to wrap up.

I can only conclude that the reason why you didn't rate this piece highly is only because it is an attempt at comedy. That said, I insist in incorporating humour whatever the themes are. There are too few comedic pieces. Most of the comedy in the forum are unintentionally or otherwise in the Incoherent Babbling section.

Out of curiosity, why wasn't there an honourable mention? Was it because the number of entries were too few?

The main problem I have with this entry is unfortunately, I just didn't find it that funny.


Care to go into detail?

You set it up as a series of outrageous resumes, but they weren't that crazy to me.


You find a story about someone reading a second hand account of men complaining about loose and vindictive women behaving badly after a trip to a club, who proceeds to read another account accusing the women to be monstrous demons, only to find out that the truth is a bit of both not crazy or outrageous enough?! I shudder to think what you consider crazy! Perhaps it is something high_time would write.

As for you not finding it funny, well, it is alright. It is all about taste. My attempts at humouring you are about as successful as your attempts at humouring me.
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
正義 wrote...


As for Yanker and Xninebreaker - Congratulations!

I actually expected one of you to win 1st place, though I won't say who to be fair to both of you, and the other second, so this result is actually within my expectations lol.



Glad to know I wasn't one of two.

That aside, I would really like to join you in one of those writing events. I can't contribute to your project because I cannot commit to a long term project but I should be able to come up with essays and short stories.
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
Yanker wrote...
Hmm, I see.

Well, I should be free around that time, so it would be my pleasure to judge. Although, I would still like to make an entry if that's alright with everyone - I obviously won't judge my own work and it won't be taken into consideration for the contest, I simply want to write it for the thrill (and the challenge). Much like how leonard writes his parodies even when they're not part of the contest.

And if events like the valentines/Halloween happen again, count me in.


You can create a topic and approach a moderator to have it 'stickied'. I persuaded one of the hosts of events such as these to allow the participants to submit as many entries as they wished. The joy of coming up with stories for me is to have people talk, argue then quarrel about them. My idea of entertainment I admit is rather unconventional. I will try my best to participate in those events.

PS: That said do you have any comment on that parody I wrote?

PPS: Be careful of the refrigerants that are pumped by into the atmosphere by the NWO to cause global cooling. Scientists say that they will cause lung disease and asbestosis in the long run. All the more reason to take daily doses of our snake oil to combat those diseases!
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
I would like to use this opportunity to have an argument. I so happen to love those things. These are the points that I take issue with.

Xenon wrote...

The issue here is that you proclaim that to be a "question" that the applicants should answer, but that is not a question, it is a request. This is a big problem because you continually refer to it later as a question when it isn't one.


I am sure you have come across an essay question that doesn't end with a question mark. This is no different.

Xenon wrote...

"All the more gloomy" isn't the term you should be using, rather the correct form is "made even gloomier."


"All the more" I think is idiomatic. But since you mentioned it, I wonder if I should have used "all the more gloomier" instead.

Xenon wrote...

"Decided" is a poor word choice because seeing Hennessey walking mindlessly into the den and figuring that he is done for isn't a decision, it is a deduction.


Using "decided" sounded right to me even though your definition of 'decided' is correct. I went to check the definition of 'decided' and believe the use of the word in this context is correct. You see, 'decided' has two definitions.

First is making a choice. The other is deducing, determining or arriving at a conclusion. If I say that I decided that some politician will be assassinated anyway it does not mean that I am planning an assassination but I hold a strong belief that he will be assassinated.


Have you tried reading the parody of Masayoshi's entry?
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
Yanker wrote...


I do have a suggestion for the veterans here (D, Xenon, Cinia). A contest with actual prizes may not be necessary, because I think most people who frequent this section of the forums simply enjoy writing alongside others and comparing their work. Instead, why not have something like a writing event.


Events with no prizes have been done before. I was all for it that time and I am still all for it now.

https://www.fakku.net/forums/writing-and-fanfiction/halloween-2013-writing-event

https://www.fakku.net/forums/writing-and-fanfiction/valentine-writing-event-2014
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
No honourable mention?! What an insult to Masayoshi!
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
The Equalizer wrote...
Well, it's not bad. The subtle bits about bad decisions made by the applicants and how women basically took advantage of them was a bit... gutsy?

Didn't expect them to bust into the room as literal monsters, either because somehow I half expected the resumes to be things they completely fabricated to make themselves look more appealing.

I know I personally twist the truth on my own resume, and 9/10 times it lands me a job - it's all about how you present the information.

As far as realism goes: No one in their right mind would be bold or stupid enough to actually submit resumes with this kind of information, and usually people don't make requests for other people since it looks bad in general to potential employers and makes them reek of desperation.

Regardless, don't take it to heart, I'm just very anal about realism.

You did well, and good luck to you in this contest.


No, no. Not at all. I am glad you found it silly that the applicants demanded Leonard to give them a job through their applications. My style of writing has always been comedic and having the characters behave bizarrely is a hallmark of that style. It is intended to be satirical in a way because we all know that every applicant wants to have the job whether they say it directly or not, and yes, had they been more truthful, Leonard might be warned about the monsters.

The women being real monsters is the only twist I can come up with. You might have noticed that I wrote the story with ridiculous premises like the monster women that aren't seemingly true. Also, the main character is in an isolated environment and all the information he gets is second hand. The twist will be demonstrating that the silly setup is actually true. I have written another story, a parody of another entry which uses this technique.

https://www.fakku.net/forums/posts/4626923#4626923

The idea came to me while I was discussing job applications with an acquaintance who encountered very strange questions while filling in a job application template for some company. Then you have the themes of horror, mystery and the supernatural. I recalled other material and stories that had those elements and made references to them in this entry.

This was the result -- a story about job applications which has horror and mystery themes. I intended it to be a very curious combination that when taken together should be called comedy.
leonard267 FAKKU Non-Writer
Xenon wrote...

Lastly, you won't be blacklisted or mocked for such a thing (I won't mock you, at least). We may not be allowed to cyber here, but it's not exactly forbidden to talk about.


https://www.fakku.net/forums/feedback-suggestions-and-support/fakku-rules-and-faq#4529623

"Cybering" is not allowed though I don't really mind it (not into it either). Then again is erotic roleplay considered 'cybering'? Personally, I would say no. It seems to be more elaborate and certainly takes more effort, especially when I need to pretend to be a woman!