Tegumi Posts

Again, not the issue. No one is saying searches should be dealt away with entirely. Checkpoints are the legal exception to the 4th amendment. They are still, however, subject to reasonable cause. Which means that legally, indiscriminate searching is not allowed. But wait, there is an exception to that -- they are referred to as 'routine procedures'. Unfortunately for your pat-down, it is not listed as a 'routine procedure', and is therefore only legal if there is reasonable suspicion.
...Regarding the 'right' thing, I just discussed this in my previous post.



Well, law enforcement performs thorough pat down on suspected criminals, for which they have previously established reasonable cause. No such precedent exists with airline travelers.

Okaaaaay... so this is an argument against the full body scanners? Either way, according to this, I wouldn't want to be in that thing.



Anything authorized by the government can't be unconsitutional, right?


I don't even- the TSA runs the security.



Oh god, seriously?
Yes, flying isn't a right. That's because it's an activity. However, you are supposed to be able to go about this activity without having your rights violated. Do you see the difference?
Additionally, flying is quite necessary for a large number of business and other travelers. It's not purely leisure as you seem to imply. These people can't just go "Oh, I don't think I'll fly today, I'll drive from New York to California."



No.



See: Body cavity and X-ray

Which are? So far they've just been metal detectors.



Mm hmm. If you say so. So the fact that maybe they DO racial profile, means that the proposed behavioral profile is suddenly not going to work? You know, the TSA does racial profiling too, so should that be the argument against why we shouldn't have scanners or pat-downs?



I didn't say that. You said they have smaller x, y, and z because they are a small country. My contention with this is that as a small country, they also have smaller manpower and resources. The US doesn't have to work with small manpower and resources.



Does it make a difference? Both nations' security checkpoints check for bombs. One nation handles discovery of a bomb better than the other. That nation is not the U.S.



Uh, yeah. Tiny isn't an issue. (see small country, small resources) Being homogeneous isn't an issue. (see uncondoned racial profiling) So yes, it can be done.



Oh sure it does. You know why people are touting the 4th amendment? Here, take a look at this. Yes, it's Wikipedia, deal with it. The important parts have citations.



Are you Republican?

An unsubstantiated claim.
http://www.epa.gov/radtown/cosmic.html



And I'm supposed to take that at face value?





MS Word replace 'behavioral' with 'racial'?



No kidding?



Yes, and their resources and manpower are smaller too. What's your point?



Nobody said stop screening. People just don't want these outrageous methods used for screening.

Yes, the 'we' was referring to the group of people I was with.

Ah, is there anything wrong with said article? It's quite a nice outrage article.

If you haven't read it, I'd be surprised.

Would you if I told you that the timespan of the situation and subsequent article were both at the introduction of new TSA policy?

Hi. I am not comfortable with groping or cancer. It needs to be thrown out. There are better ways.

Give this a read, por favor.

Ah, devil's advocate?

The complaint article I read was of someone who had just experienced the pat-down. It was essentially groping. If you were not previously aware of how the pat-down was going to be, and assumed it would be merely cursory, there would be no reason to insist on a same-sex agent, would there? As for the scanner... several times the amount of radiation output of an x-ray machine. I'm not going near that.

Well, we don't eat with our eyes.

Bf, friend and I shared a BK 7 stack. And we were full.

Ah. That's what the handbook says. There are reports otherwise.

I thought so. It could possibly be interpreted differently, so I figured I'd ask.

Vacation at home this holiday season!

Why did you quote me, too?

What.

Uh? If you were on the one who wanted your significant other to tell you straight up that your kissing was overzealous, and she did so, why is it her responsibility if your feelings get hurt? (Also, you didn't directly address the question.)

Um, encoding doesn't involve splitting anything. Splitting it into files using an archiving program is splitting.

Did you know? Hello Kitty is the shit.