[Anime] Fate/Stay Night Remake By Ufotable

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Hentanize wrote...
The best part when I was downloading the episode was realizing that episode 1 was 48 minutes too. So good. I'm also glad to know that this is the route where Lancer gets to shine most. His Gae Bolg is awesome. And of course Saber is as magnificent as ever.

Also might be me but I feel like the OP focuses a lot more on Saber than on Rin at times.


Good end route confirmed

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One can pray.....to our based god Ufotable
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Hentanize wrote...
And of course Saber is as magnificent as ever.

Also might be me but I feel like the OP focuses a lot more on Saber than on Rin at times.




Ufotable Fate remake. Please.

TheJ4cK wrote...
That Gae Bolg scene was amazing. Though I'd liked them to say a bit more than just "Oh it's a curse that reverses cause and effect!".


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I think most of Gae Bolg's explanation was visual, judging by the scene where time stopped and Gae Bolg changed the law of casualty in an attempt to take Saber's heart. Although I'm pretty certain that people who haven't seen the VN's explanation will be confused so opting for an extra episode for lore's sake wouldn't be a bad idea. Cutting out the scenes where Shirou is cleaning or panning the scenery would've been good too. It's notable to mention that Lancer's Noble Phantasm is used more than once in UBW so they have a second shot at it. Furthermore they could have explained that Saber's B in luck and A in instinct were what allowed her to evade his Noble Phantasm.


TheJ4cK wrote...
I really hope that there will be more original stuff or remixed VN stuff (aside from yet another rendition of EMIYA obviously)


Yeah needs more F/SN original soundtrack. The current audio is good but a F/SN without EMIYA feels like a missed opportunity.
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WideEyedMan wrote...


TheJ4cK wrote...
That Gae Bolg scene was amazing. Though I'd liked them to say a bit more than just "Oh it's a curse that reverses cause and effect!".


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I think most of Gae Bolg's explanation was visual, judging by the scene where time stopped and Gae Bolg changed the law of casualty in an attempt to take Saber's heart. Although I'm pretty certain that people who haven't seen the VN's explanation will be confused so opting for an extra episode for lore's sake wouldn't be a bad idea. Cutting out the scenes where Shirou is cleaning or panning the scenery would've been good too. It's notable to mention that Lancer's Noble Phantasm is used more than once in UBW so they have a second shot at it. Furthermore they could have explained that Saber's B in luck and A in instinct where what allowed her to evade his Noble Phantasm.


Honestly, I really hope they don't do that, I mean the whole stats and ability thing. It works in the VN because at the end of the day, you are still playing a game as a player. But I think that going into detail about a servant's stats and abilities D&D style would be to the anime's detriment.
As some sort of additional promotional material, something like a guidebook in the BD box set, it would work out really well. Man, if I had the money ... I really want to own a Fate/Zero BluRay box set ...
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WideEyedMan wrote...
Hentanize wrote...
And of course Saber is as magnificent as ever.

Also might be me but I feel like the OP focuses a lot more on Saber than on Rin at times.




Ufotable Fate remake. Please.



OP is giving me false hopes.
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So are you. I doubt ufoFate will ever happen.

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Kaimax Best Master-San
WideEyedMan wrote...
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I think most of Gae Bolg's explanation was visual, judging by the scene where time stopped and Gae Bolg changed the law of casualty in an attempt to take Saber's heart. Although I'm pretty certain that people who haven't seen the VN's explanation will be confused so opting for an extra episode for lore's sake wouldn't be a bad idea. Cutting out the scenes where Shirou is cleaning or panning the scenery would've been good too. It's notable to mention that Lancer's Noble Phantasm is used more than once in UBW so they have a second shot at it. Furthermore they could have explained that Saber's B in luck and A in instinct where what allowed her to evade his Noble Phantasm.


I really don't want the anime to go too detailed about Nasuverse's power tiers. If people want further explanations "Go Play the VN", why bother doing a half-assed explanation when there's another media that's doing the job better.

The more an anime "Talks" and not "Show" the faster it gets boring.
If they do it wrong it will fall into the Exposition Bomb trope.
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Kaimax wrote...
why bother doing a half-assed explanation when there's another media that's doing the job better.

The more an anime "Talks" and not "Show" the faster it gets boring.


You raise a good point and I'm all for an anime taking advantage of the fact it's visual, in fact I would go as far as to say the Gae Bolg scene was deliberately made with the thought "talk is cheap" and did so splendidly. However my issue is that it's a passerby's understanding that gives just enough to survive with, which isn't bad standards for an anime but neither is expecting an extras episode(in the vein of what J4ck suggested) just like Onegai!Einzbern Soudanshitsu for Fate/Zero. Everybody wins, people who don't care about lore just watch the series ignoring the extras and the more curious ones will watch the extras.

Hentanize wrote...
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Nope.

Oh I completely forgot to mention, Shirou's hair isn't actually that red it's usually a heavy orange.
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Oh hey! I'm back on FAKKU to discuss this anime.

BECAUSE I AM SO FUCKING PUMPED!

These last two episodes are really good. I really liked that they did the Tohsaka prologue for the VN's as its own episode and follow it with Shirou's.

The animation for this is just so good as well, even if some of the design for at least one character needs to grow on me. It's minor and may be in my head.

I'm overall thrilled though. I actually haven't read a VN since Tsukihime and Fate/Stay Night. I was reading "The Devil on G-String" but stopped about two or three years ago. The data for it still exists though. So I could pick it up.

I can't wait for more though. I really can't.

Kaimax wrote...

The more an anime "Talks" and not "Show" the faster it gets boring.
If they do it wrong it will fall into the Exposition Bomb trope.


This is actually an issue I am having with the "Monogari series in hindsight. The series will have episodes where the characters drone a mix of exposition and deep conversation. It actually was also my issue with the most recent Kara no Kyokai deal as well. Lots of exposition all around, very little action. Although, this could be an issue with the series as a whole. Despite last viewing the series again probably earlier this year, I can't remember if the whole of the series was as dialogue heavy as the last one. Although then again, Shiki was fighting a dude who could see the future and use bombs. It's not like he was Solid Snake.
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Akasen wrote...
This is actually an issue I am having with the "Monogari series in hindsight. The series will have episodes where the characters drone a mix of exposition and deep conversation. It actually was also my issue with the most recent Kara no Kyokai deal as well. Lots of exposition all around, very little action. Although, this could be an issue with the series as a whole. Despite last viewing the series again probably earlier this year, I can't remember if the whole of the series was as dialogue heavy as the last one. Although then again, Shiki was fighting a dude who could see the future and use bombs. It's not like he was Solid Snake.


To be fair, 90% of the Monogatari series is comprised of talking. There isn't really any significat action going on. Is sells because of its interesting character interactions coupled with Shaft's unique visual style. That's about it.
Same with KnK, it was't written with conflict in mind (at least not on a superficial level), as KnK is more about the exploration of the many negative and ugly aspects of humans as individuals, and is more of a thought provoking kind of story rooted in symbolism.

Having said that, UBW is gonna have a ton of action. Thinking back, I think UBW has at least 15 fights along with bunch of minor confrontations. Though my prediction for the next episode would be "How to be a Master 101" followed by the first visit of the curch, only to end at a cliffhanger with Illya appearing.
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http://seventhstyle.com/2014/10/13/99-of-viewers-enjoy-fatestay-night/

Nothing stops the UBW train.
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And using side by side comparison, with each incarnation, Shirou keeps getting older and taller lol.

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ero-sensei wrote...

UBW Movie
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Either Shirou is a dwarf or Saber is a giant in this one.
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Hentanize wrote...
ero-sensei wrote...

UBW Movie
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Either Shirou is a dwarf or Saber is a giant in this one.


Oh my god you just made me realize something disturbing.
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is this going the be a anime movie or video game ?


is it out yet ?
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mibuchiha Fakku Elder
God how could I like this thing again. Painfully slow and banal. Get to the meaningful parts already smh.
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creapsmantic wrote...
is this going the be a anime movie or video game ?


is it out yet ?


I don't intend to be mean...but google it. Please take the effort to find things out yourself, especially if knowledge of this degree is easily available.

mibuchiha wrote...
God how could I like this thing again. Painfully slow and banal. Get to the meaningful parts already smh.


seventhstyle.com wrote...
A measly 0.5% found it to be “average”, only indicative of their own malfunctioning mind, and the remaining .5% are presumably kids upset that a real anime has come to take the rightfully deserved spotlight in place of Gun Gale Online.


lol, your evaluation is fair(I was especially bleary eyed at Shirou's daily routine in the VN) but frankly this is the first real episode so having things go slow is expected.

Zolnir wrote...
she was ALWAYS handicapped


Saber's stats fluctuate a lot throughout the Holy Grail Wars, it depends on her current master.

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her best master being Tohsaka stat-wise but Emiya is still the best overall because he's the only one able to unlock Avalon. Plus lewd magic.


On that note I'm really interested in a Servant with an F rank in a stat.

ero-sensei wrote...
Oh my god you just made me realize something disturbing.


What?

Also your gif.
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Saber bashing Caster puppets? Getting chills just thinking about it
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WideEyedMan wrote...
On that note I'm really interested in a Servant with an F rank in a stat.


Currently in the middle of playing it but

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I think Avenger is a good bet
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mibuchiha Fakku Elder
WideEyedMan wrote...
seventhstyle.com wrote...
A measly 0.5% found it to be “average”, only indicative of their own malfunctioning mind, and the remaining .5% are presumably kids upset that a real anime has come to take the rightfully deserved spotlight in place of Gun Gale Online.


It is indeed mediocre. I like my malfunctioning mind thank you very much, if the only other option is to have a mediocre mind that could call this sort of banality good. The characterization is poor, in particular the masters (let's not even touch the side characters, why do they even exist hell if I know). And for a story with such a rich backdrop (summoning real heroes to fight your war?) this made poor use of that. The only saving grace is the good action and some characters being up there in the likeability chart, thanks in large part due to their own legend supplying plenty of personality restriction already.

Those that Nasu actually invented are crap. Except Archer. He's alright.
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mibuchiha wrote...
if the only other option is to have a mediocre mind that could call this sort of banality good.


I don't believe my joke warranted this kind of response(if it wasn't clear what my serious response was simply look a line down). If it was offensive to you then I apologize for that but I think it's wrong to call everyone that enjoys Fate idiotic just from my mistake.

mibuchiha wrote...
The characterization is poor, in particular the masters (let's not even touch the side characters, why do they even exist hell if I know).

Those that Nasu actually invented are crap. Except Archer. He's alright.


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True. Many students like Rydou Issei, the track club, archery club president(I can't even remember some of their names) and many others were there to set the mood for a school setting and I doubt derailing the story is even worth them.

I disagree with the notion that everything Nasu made is crap, Illya for example. Illya constantly tortured Shirou because of her resentment towards her father abandoning her to raise Shirou but at the same time she relents and even accepts him in HF because she sympathized with him being a person Kiritsugu dragged into his life then left behind and she was going to live her short life fulfilling a petty revenge against one of the people who actually cared for her. The fact that she physically spited Emiya but sometimes refused to actually kill him showed her childish nature in lashing out at something remotely related to her past trauma but showing hesitation in commitment to the act. Her later acceptance of Shirou is a result of her rapid maturity from growing up without her father, being under the harsh care of the Einzberns and gradually learning that Shirou doesn't deserve what Illya is doing to him. Now an example of fairly poor characterization would be Souchiro Kuzuki, he did have a few good scenes when he died but most of the time he was an dry piece of wood that literally had no reason to stay with Caster. I suppose his lifelessness was for contrast to how Jason treated Medea but he's still a poor character. Saying that everything Nasu made character wise was trash is too radical of a statement, he's done good work with some of them and others are terrible. You've even said that Archer is okay but I think there's more than just Archer.


mibuchiha wrote...
And for a story with such a rich backdrop (summoning real heroes to fight your war?) this made poor use of that.


It would help if you told me when and how the rich back drop was wasted.
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mibuchiha Fakku Elder
Since I can't sleep, might as well...

WideEyedMan wrote...
mibuchiha wrote...
if the only other option is to have a mediocre mind that could call this sort of banality good.


I don't believe my joke warranted this kind of response(if it wasn't clear what my serious response was simply look a line down). If it was offensive to you then I apologize for that but I think it's wrong to call everyone that enjoys Fate idiotic just from my mistake.


Not all but a good portion of them, yes. Fate/Stay Night is nowhere near stellar as people tout it to be. Enjoyable, yes. Anything more? Errmm nope.

mibuchiha wrote...
The characterization is poor, in particular the masters (let's not even touch the side characters, why do they even exist hell if I know).

Those that Nasu actually invented are crap. Except Archer. He's alright.


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True. Many students like Rydou Issei, the track club, archery club president(I can't even remember some of their names) and many others were there to set the mood for a school setting and I doubt derailing the story is even worth them.

I disagree with the notion that everything Nasu made is crap, Illya for example. Illya constantly tortured Shirou because of her resentment towards her father abandoning her to raise Shirou but at the same time she relents and even accepts him in HF because she sympathized with him being a person Kiritsugu dragged into his life then left behind and she was going to live her short life fulfilling a petty revenge against one of the people who actually cared for her. The fact that she physically spited Emiya but sometimes refused to actually kill him showed her childish nature in lashing out at something remotely related to her past trauma but showing hesitation in commitment to the act. Her later acceptance of Shirou is a result of her rapid maturity from growing up without her father, being under the harsh care of the Einzberns and gradually learning that Shirou doesn't deserve what Illya is doing to him. Now an example of fairly poor characterization would be Souchiro Kuzuki, he did have a few good scenes when he died but most of the time he was an dry piece of wood that literally had no reason to stay with Caster. I suppose his lifelessness was for contrast to how Jason treated Medea but he's still a poor character. Saying that everything Nasu made character wise was trash is too radical of a statement, he's done good work with some of them and others are terrible. You've even said that Archer is okay but I think there's more than just Archer.


Ah Ilya. Forgot about her. She's ok too. And might be some else I missed but whatever lol. Kuzuki is among the bad ones, or maybe the author is just lazy.

Shirou. Oh god. No plans to talk about his issues for now, hopefully those are already clear. But he's not even consistent. Ok, different routes means different settings, but Nasu could do better to trick me than suddenly going "Oh I've loved her all along" in HF when he showed not the slightest sign of noticing Sakura prior. And the whole crap about him growing up from idealistic in Fate and mature in HF... through what exactly? Different routes are supposed to be alternate universes, you can't magically transfer memories and call that character development smh.

Rin. You tried hard Nasu to make her look talented, but until this day I see none of it. She has no resolve, clumsy, why the fuck tropes like tsundere exists in a story about war anyway... I fail to see her as nothing more than an elaborate and convoluted approach to fanservice. Like Strike Witches.

I love comparing FSN and FZ as they are very close together. Now see, Nasu glorified servants as this inhumane being that totally tops everything. Yet more than once he pulled shit like having nubs defeat them. Ten years ago... "Wait, Maiya. It's Assassin we're dealing with. We're not equipped to fight servants," said an experienced murderer. Later, some scrub who did no shit suddenly defeated the most broken (but dumbed down to ridiculous levels, thanks to your author truly) servant out there. Count me unconvinced. Guy don't know to stick to the very system he invented. Smh.

mibuchiha wrote...
And for a story with such a rich backdrop (summoning real heroes to fight your war?) this made poor use of that.


It would help if you told me when and how the rich back drop was wasted.
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Again, FZ. The whole thing is solemn throughout. Even in relatively lighthearted parts, like Rider chugging beer, some key points of his heroism could be seen. And in all cases the servants basically are the heroes as they are, living the legend. Gil could indeed in FZ be seen as the primordial king. Lancelot the fallen knight. Rider and his eternal conquest. Lancer with his sad tales. Ok, not perfectly of course, but the background story in integrated much more seamlessly here. Needless to say, my favorite is the epic Gil vs Rider battle, where almost every damn line and move is a shoutout to the lores.

In FSN, name me a hero who actually had anything traceable back to the lore? Saber nope, she's just that pretty girl pampered by and sighing because of Shirou. Caster, mmm ok in the church scene. Rider, what lore? Ditto Berserker. He could be Incredible Hulk and it makes no difference to the plot. Gil? In FSN he's but a horny retard. Lancer, one sees much in his personality and some lines, but no key points. Assassin has little screentime to work with. Archer had none so ok.

And there's this crap about school life Fuji-nee date at Shinto and what the fuck else. Shinji too. Eugh. How saddening when some other guy takes your universe and write something vastly superior than you did. If that's not Nasu being a mediocre author, then I don't know what to call him. Hell, his later Fates got crappier, not better.

Writing in iPad is kinda tough lol.
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mibuchiha wrote...
Not all but a good portion of them, yes.


I probably enjoy it more than I should, but I do think that parts of it are good. Rabid fan bases rarely make sense so naturally when the fan base is as large as F/SN the amount of gibberish increases as well.

mibuchiha wrote...
Nasu could do better to trick me than suddenly going "Oh I've loved her all along" in HF when he showed not the slightest sign of noticing Sakura prior.


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Well there were a couple scenes in HF prior to them consummating their relationship(for example Shirou woke Sakura early in the morning and Shirou realized that she was coming on to him) that made Shirou realize that that his sexual awareness was bad enough that she had to put a "p0n0s in vag00" sign on her groins and thrust her hips at his face for the first H-scene(mildly exaggerated). Not a fan of a protagonist with the sexual awareness of an unborn fetus.


mibuchiha wrote...
Different routes are supposed to be alternate universes, you can't magically transfer memories and call that character development smh.


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HF is comparatively heavier on Shirou's shoulders than the other routes, at the halfway point most of the heroines are his enemies and he's forcefully made aware of the fact that he's so pathetic that the enemy doesn't bother with him once he lost Saber. Which leads to the realization that this happened because he refused to acknowledge Sakura's feelings or properly face the inconsistencies in his ideals. So there's one explanation for why he became more serious in HF.


mibuchiha wrote...
Rin. You tried hard Nasu to make her look talented, but until this day I see none of it.


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Your right, Rin's problem is that she's got talent down in the books but in reality she messes up on a daily basis or constantly gets carried by others. That was the whole point of Shirou talking to Rin on the grassfield after Archer left her for Caster, if you don't remember correctly Rin was about to give up after realizing how useless she was and Shirou said that she didn't need to take it on by herself like he did and she needs to share the burden with him. Afterwards she started depending on Shirou more and vice versa, so while cliche it was better than Strike Witches.


mibuchiha wrote...
Later, some scrub who did no shit suddenly defeated the most broken (but dumbed down to ridiculous levels, thanks to your author truly) servant out there


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Yeah that was silly, Saber shouldn't have lost to Kuzuki despite her being weakened and him being buffed. Same with Shirou beating Gilgamesh. Nasu threw reason out of the window for those moments to mess with the pecking order. It's the "there's always a bigger fish" routine that often comes off as a shallow excuse for not creating a proper action ramp. It is important to remember that Nasu isn't held liable for what Urobuchi did in F/Z, so it would be accurate to say Urobuchi should've done what Nasu did but to me Urobuchi's way was better.


mibuchiha wrote...
In FSN, name me a hero who actually had anything traceable back to the lore? Saber nope, she's just that pretty girl pampered by and sighing because of Shirou. Caster, mmm ok in the church scene. Rider, what lore? Ditto Berserker. He could be Incredible Hulk and it makes no difference to the plot. Gil? In FSN he's but a horny retard. Lancer, one sees much in his personality and some lines, but no key points. Assassin has little screentime to work with. Archer had none so ok.


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Regardless of the situation King Arthur always tried to personally protect and encourage his vassals(KoRT) to better themselves. Saber did the same by constantly training Emiya and telling him to rely on her in battle. Later on she had to come to terms with the fact that her Arthurian realm(which her entire life was dedicated to) is forever dust and that she should abandon her role as King Arthur because she had more to live for with Emiya. Partially your correct, one of Saber's main conflicts is letting go of her duty as she starts to accumulate experiences that clash with her role as the King of Knights. It's notable that she chooses to leave Shirou anyways and die as King Arthur in the past.

Hercules was a brawny beast for the gods to yank around, which is meant to mirror his servitude under Illya. Doesn't change the fact he's featureless as a character though, he's pretty much a dull plot device.

Rider has some stuff but it's not enough to make up for it. They elaborate on her circumstances as a Gorgon in F/HA but that's not F/SN so they fouled that up.

Same with Lancer but he got more to show with his futile attraction to women and biting his master's hand, but in the end they left the important parts up to F/HA and that's not F/SN.

I don't like Gilgamesh. F/Z or otherwise, it's mainly because he's just there as the big bad guy despite having no stake in anything and he acts like a brat with no redeeming features.


mibuchiha wrote...
Hell, his later Fates got crappier, not better.


Most of the later Fates were taken charge of by other people, he had little or next to no involvement in them. He obviously didn't want to keep writing Fate somewhere down the line to the point to where he openly declared he didn't want to do it anymore.

mibuchiha wrote...
How saddening when some other guy takes your universe and write something vastly superior than you did.


Nasu supervised the drafts of F/Z, Urobuchi said he accepted 90% of his ideas.