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tbh I can sympathise with the "vandalizers". They worked on the site and did the best they could. They asked to help out, they mentioned the problems and asked for the power to fix them.
On Jacob's refusal they then went to the community and talked about the problems.
The general response then, and now too (from fiero and many others) is that there are problems but this site belongs to Jacob and if you don't like it you can leave (among implications that criticism is not welcome here). Thus the drastic measures that has the community in uproar.
Fakku is modeled to be a community, and I believe that a community should value the contributions of its members. Otherwise its just a site to say 'Hey look! look at all that Jacob has created for us.' btw while it is a free site, the ads do mean we are sorta customers. Without us the site would not run.
tl;dr: I believe they had good intentions and just want the truth out. they have not used any of the information they had access to and I doubt they used it for blackmail.
Even Jacob admits they have valid points and yet there are those among you that believe they are completely in the wrong. A few even were arrogant and stupid enough to say that they had good points but they didn't need to crash the server and waste their fucking fapping time.
Yes this has turned into a rant. my first, and last post on this site, just my opinion, you can take it or leave it.
On Jacob's refusal they then went to the community and talked about the problems.
The general response then, and now too (from fiero and many others) is that there are problems but this site belongs to Jacob and if you don't like it you can leave (among implications that criticism is not welcome here). Thus the drastic measures that has the community in uproar.
Fakku is modeled to be a community, and I believe that a community should value the contributions of its members. Otherwise its just a site to say 'Hey look! look at all that Jacob has created for us.' btw while it is a free site, the ads do mean we are sorta customers. Without us the site would not run.
tl;dr: I believe they had good intentions and just want the truth out. they have not used any of the information they had access to and I doubt they used it for blackmail.
Even Jacob admits they have valid points and yet there are those among you that believe they are completely in the wrong. A few even were arrogant and stupid enough to say that they had good points but they didn't need to crash the server and waste their fucking fapping time.
Yes this has turned into a rant. my first, and last post on this site, just my opinion, you can take it or leave it.
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Fiero88Formula wrote...
Wow. I read that topic here, which I'm guessing is what started all of this mess...https://www.fakku.net/viewtopic.php?t=78100
... and I've got to say, some people may not like what I'm going to say but I'm going to say them anyway.
Like his post is fucking amazing - amazingly fucking stupid that is.
ananonymoususer wrote...
To perhaps cast light on some discussion, I put forth a suggestion.My solution is: Back up the code base, back up the manga. Allow me monitored administrative access to the code base, through SVN (which I can set up). Then we can just dump SVN comments to the front page every month or so to show the bug fixes and to encourage further work from myself and Jacob. If I do anything horrendous, SVN has a backup of all of the code base from before I started.
This is the type of post that makes you look like you're threatening someone. "I've shown I can have control of something. My proposition is for you to give me some sort of power. Or else this could happen ~or~ to prevent this from happening."
Yeah... I highly doubt when you basically threaten someone on the internet - which is what was done here if you read between the lines - that person is going to cede to you.
There's something people need to realize here. THIS IS JACOB'S "HOUSE". You're in his home. If you don't like being here, GET, THE, FUCK, OUT. Plain and simple folks. Jacob doesn't have to do a damn thing for any person here.
First, Jacob does this on his OWN TIME, for us. I thought it was utterly absurd when I read that post further up in that topic when the OP suggests this is ALL Jacob does. Yes, I'm pretty sure Jacob just sits around on his computer ALL FUCKING DAY doing absolutely NOTHING else. Man, if you believe that crock of horse shit you're an idiot.
Second, all of this is FREE. People take WAY too much for granted. Jacob lets people freely join (hell, you don't even have to join if you don't want to), read the material on his site, and Jacob handles all the issues like making sure the server space is paid for every month and such. Remember, THIS IS HIS "HOUSE". He could be an ass and do some shit like set it up to where you have to pay to join, or make it where basic membership just allows posts in the forums. No. He's a good guy though. He lets people join, read the doujinshi that our esteemed translators (who you should also thank EVERY TIME something new is posted) take THEIR TIME to translate and edit the scans, and post essentially whatever they please in the forums.
But somehow all of that's not good enough? Ok. What ever. Don't like it. Fucking leave.
The subject matter by which my screen name comes has one of the greatest automotive forums on the net. It really is. The WHOLE place - and it's a large place - is moderated by ONE guy. Just one. Even here, there are moderators for each section, but this man handles EVERY section. How does he do it? The forum self-moderates. If a troll appears, the members can quickly down-rate and speed-ban. If there are other issues, it's typically easy to actually notify the moderator if something drastic needs to be done. Honestly that happens every blue moon.
Yet again, here is the underlying point, it's the moderator's "house". He runs the show. If you don't like the show he's running, leave.
Fakku has something really special going on here. It's actually one of the few places on the net that is able to present doujinshi the way it does. I myself will admit there are some issues with the overall presentation of the page. However, if I really didn't like it, I wouldn't come here. Do I just leave then? No. I understand the intricacies that it took to come up with everything here and the dedication it takes to keep this place going.
Remember, Jacob can "pull the plug" at any point.
The point of this is that Jacob can run this place however he pleases, and if you don't like it, go somewhere else.
tl;dr the whole thing.
But let me address your house analogy. Fakku isn't Jacob's house, it's like his bank, and we've given him our personal information for sake keeping.
As I've already mentioned to Jacob, this is not a fucking hobby anymore, especially with the Fakku store launching soon. If Jacob and his admins don't take a proactive approach to the site and ensure it's up to date and secure, then they should be responsible and leave the business. They have a personal and professional RESPONSIBILITY to us to ensure that our data is safe. And while I don't know the full story, the fact that the same people were able to access the site using the same (or similar) means does signal that the admins for this site didn't have enough commitment to security.
I have full faith he will now that this unfortunate incident happened, but you're doing him a disservice with your post.
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artcellrox
The Grey Knight :y
No one's perfect, Jacob. Regardless of what these guys wanted to "teach" you, this wasn't the way to do it. Hell, I for one believe there is no way for that. For a person to improve himself and his skills, he himself has to want to improve. No one can ever tell someone to change and hope that they do. I know that a little too well.
I know you'll become a better administrator someday, Jacob. Keep up the good work and, if I haven't already said so, thanks for everything you've done about and for FAKKU, including starting it in the first place. :)
I know you'll become a better administrator someday, Jacob. Keep up the good work and, if I haven't already said so, thanks for everything you've done about and for FAKKU, including starting it in the first place. :)
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Personally I think Jacob is an awesome administrator, sure the site has some bugs and such but for a site designed by one man this thing is remarkably stable. Personally I'm just thankful he made it. I was tempted to quote the part about this being Jacobs House, but hey anyone on here who's worth talking to knows that.
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oneshott wrote...
TheWaitingMan wrote...
Well, that person's an asshole for doing this, nuff said.Remilia wrote...
These douchebags should've brought their points across in a different way.If some of you are thinking that this was too much to make a point, then I'm not sure you really understand the gravity of what took place, and the goodwill these hackers showed once they showed they could do what they did as easily as they did. Imagine you break into a bank, take hostages, and break into the vault, and then don't steal anything. You did it not steal the money, but to show that bank just how easy it was to do what you did.
It's the exact same situation here, someone got their shit rightfully slapped to the ground, but then were extended a hand to get back up. They could have just as easily fucked over the entire website, gotten into a lot of peoples personal information, and then go on from there.
But they didn't. These people aren't douche bags or assholes, they're people of character. I can tell people to do something they don't want to do all I want, but they sure as shit aren't going to do anything until I show them the consequences of non-compliance. Asking will only get you so far, and some people need to get a swift kick in the ass before they switch their gears into action.
the problem i have with this analogy is that you are still committing a crime (and in the case of your example, one you can go to jail over for a very long time) in order to prove your point. There are better ways to bring this to everyone's attention than hacking an admin account and vandalizing the site, even if the vandalism was temporary. Yes, the changes that have occurred from it benefit us all and were necessary, but that does not justify the hack (which is actually a crime that can get you arrested and thrown in jail, at least under US laws), whether it was done maliciously or not.
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Arimius wrote...
oneshott wrote...
TheWaitingMan wrote...
Well, that person's an asshole for doing this, nuff said.Remilia wrote...
These douchebags should've brought their points across in a different way.If some of you are thinking that this was too much to make a point, then I'm not sure you really understand the gravity of what took place, and the goodwill these hackers showed once they showed they could do what they did as easily as they did. Imagine you break into a bank, take hostages, and break into the vault, and then don't steal anything. You did it not steal the money, but to show that bank just how easy it was to do what you did.
It's the exact same situation here, someone got their shit rightfully slapped to the ground, but then were extended a hand to get back up. They could have just as easily fucked over the entire website, gotten into a lot of peoples personal information, and then go on from there.
But they didn't. These people aren't douche bags or assholes, they're people of character. I can tell people to do something they don't want to do all I want, but they sure as shit aren't going to do anything until I show them the consequences of non-compliance. Asking will only get you so far, and some people need to get a swift kick in the ass before they switch their gears into action.
the problem i have with this analogy is that you are still committing a crime (and in the case of your example, one you can go to jail over for a very long time) in order to prove your point. There are better ways to bring this to everyone's attention than hacking an admin account and vandalizing the site, even if the vandalism was temporary. Yes, the changes that have occurred from it benefit us all and were necessary, but that does not justify the hack (which is actually a crime that can get you arrested and thrown in jail, at least under US laws), whether it was done maliciously or not.
I think the problem is that, in this case, while it may have been a crime, but it was done with good intention. If no one acted, and someone truly malicious came and completely destroyed the site, then we would be completely screwed. However, in order to make a point about how things need to change, and doing such a thing, it makes action take place.
Looking at the bank example, sure perhaps the guy may have been arrested. However due to his efforts, the bank may change the way they handle security, and thus when a true threat comes along, they will be able to deal with it. Had that person not done so, then a real robber could have made away with everyone's money.
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WERE YOU AWARE?: All hackers are stupid. It's a fact, mate! I use to mess around with hacking (i mean come on, who hasn't been that bored?) and honestly some of the people I knew seemed really just way too damn aggressive and power hungry. I think that when someone is hacking they are really only after the power that it offers, like a child, regardless of they say. There is no good hacking.
People will usually attempt to gain power in a website through an aggressive manner, then once this fails, they claim it was "all in good fun," or "a lesson in the weaknesses of your security." Pardon me, but frankly that's bullshit. That's just a lazy attempt at a cover-up.
A hacker does not even have the right to make complaints regarding the website. You know what rights they do have? The right to remain silent as anything the person says will be used against that person in court and that they have the right to consult with an attorney and to have that attorney present during questioning and that if he or she is indigent, an attorney will be provided at no cost to represent her or him. Hacking a criminal activity and hackers ought to be treated as such.
...Typing a relatively serious post with a bunch of porn staring at me at the bottom of the page was tough. :x
People will usually attempt to gain power in a website through an aggressive manner, then once this fails, they claim it was "all in good fun," or "a lesson in the weaknesses of your security." Pardon me, but frankly that's bullshit. That's just a lazy attempt at a cover-up.
A hacker does not even have the right to make complaints regarding the website. You know what rights they do have? The right to remain silent as anything the person says will be used against that person in court and that they have the right to consult with an attorney and to have that attorney present during questioning and that if he or she is indigent, an attorney will be provided at no cost to represent her or him. Hacking a criminal activity and hackers ought to be treated as such.
...Typing a relatively serious post with a bunch of porn staring at me at the bottom of the page was tough. :x
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Thats insane. Glad nothing to major was damaged.
Hope you catch the guys and IP ban their assess.
Your a good admin though, from what I can tell at least.
Hope you catch the guys and IP ban their assess.
Your a good admin though, from what I can tell at least.
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the fuckers. Nothing is perfect, including Fakku but we learn with what we have and do our best with it. They really should have used another means of getting their point across but lets be glad thats all they did: get a point across
Glad everything is okay now. More power to this site and its members
Glad everything is okay now. More power to this site and its members
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What happened to the manga chapter Seiyoku Kitou Saint Feather Chapter 8. It was up yesterday and I had added it to my favorites but now it is replaced by A squadrons day off. Did this happen during the break in yesterday?
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3l33t wrote...
What happened to the manga chapter Seiyoku Kitou Saint Feather Chapter 8. It was up yesterday and I had added it to my favorites but now it is replaced by A squadrons day off. Did this happen during the break in yesterday?The hackers have deleted some manga, it seems. Lowlife hackers.
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Robinhood1337 wrote...
3l33t wrote...
What happened to the manga chapter Seiyoku Kitou Saint Feather Chapter 8. It was up yesterday and I had added it to my favorites but now it is replaced by A squadrons day off. Did this happen during the break in yesterday?The hackers have deleted some manga, it seems. Lowlife hackers.
Stupid hackers...
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I want my doujinshi.
If there's anything standing between me and my doujunshi, they die.
That is all.
If there's anything standing between me and my doujunshi, they die.
That is all.
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Wow, I stay off FAKKU for like, two days and I miss something like this? Crazy. I don't really know enough to comment, so I'm just going to say I'm glad we're back and I look forward to fapping some more.
