Do you believe in "GOD" ,and the "Great" beyond ?
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It's a historical account of anything out of the ordinary that happened to a bunch of sheepherders.
Of course the shit is going to look weird. This is the culmination of a couple million years of improbability.
To "miracle": As far as I can tell, if there is a plan; you aren't supposed to know.
It could be a game, it could be breeding superbeings for an unknown purpose. Fuck, it could be a giant science experiment (OHAY, GUYS: I'm going to pour about a week of my life into a blob of spacetime. You wanna see what it turns into this go round?)
Doesn't matter to me. I just pretend like I know the rules, and get on anyway.
Of course the shit is going to look weird. This is the culmination of a couple million years of improbability.
To "miracle": As far as I can tell, if there is a plan; you aren't supposed to know.
It could be a game, it could be breeding superbeings for an unknown purpose. Fuck, it could be a giant science experiment (OHAY, GUYS: I'm going to pour about a week of my life into a blob of spacetime. You wanna see what it turns into this go round?)
Doesn't matter to me. I just pretend like I know the rules, and get on anyway.
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God's been dead since WWI. I'm not a fan of Nietzsche, but I like his way of thinking there. I like the romantic idea of losing "God", it holds the naive implication that at some point we had "God".
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Aud1o Blood wrote...
Spoiler:
1,4,10,11...I just noticed a 2...
http://www.cracked.com/funny-3809-internet-argument-techniques/
#12a: "I posted for the lulz"/"internet, srs bsns"
You've been owned thoroughly and incapable of coming back with an intelligent retort. So instead, you claim that your opponent is overly serious, or that you were never serious in the first place. This is an attempt to convince yourself that, had you taken the topic seriously, you would have won it easily.
#12b: "I have a life, unlike you."
Similar to #12a, and usually limited to gaming forums, one method of making the wnner of an argument look bad is implying that the only reason he won the argument is because he devotes too much time in the topic.
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cyw0rg wrote...
My point, as an Agnostic, I do believe the existence of an omnipotent one, but whether he uses his power for good or evil will always be a question!"Agnosticism is the position of believing that knowledge of the existence or non-existence of God is impossible... The agnostic holds that human knowledge is limited to the natural world, that the mind is incapable of knowledge of the supernatural."
Then you make the leap of logic of saying "I do believe the existence of an omnipotent one"
Intellectual dishonesty FTW!
Aud1o Blood wrote...
absence of evidence is not the evidence of absenceYes it is. Old piece of shit excuse is old. When a dickload of alleged psychics fail at being psychic, that lack of psychic shit happening is evidence of lack of psychic power.
Aud1o Blood wrote...
free will... The CreatorDo you happen to accept the finding of, say, genetic predispositions in humans?
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It depends, I'm a Christian specifically a Roman Catholic but I don't have a strong faith unlike other people do. But still I somehow believe that there is a God and him alone. And what the hell is the "Great" beyond you are talking about?
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Long stry short: We'll never know as we'll never be able to prove Gods' in/existence.
Long story long:
I'm definitely no atheist, but I don't believe in God per se.
We can in no way disproof of prove the existence of a greater being/force and I am willing to accept, eager even, to accept that there is one. You know, I don't WANT to be maggot-food when I die; I want there to be a paradise of ever happiness and all that shit. But I just can't bring myself to believe that there is. But at the same time the universe is - in my opinion - way to complex both to be created by chance and to be created by any sentient being.
I used to call myself a christian, heck, I was even an active member of my church youth-group thing, until I realized that I don't believe in the christian god. That was just a label for any higher being that I naively cling to in a hope that I and those I love won't just disappear when they die. And since it felt really wrong teaching teenagers about something with a sound principle, but still something I didn't believe in, i quit.
I still cling to the hope that there is a higher being out there that will let me live on in my own, personal paradise when I die, but I refuse to label that hope.
Long story long:
I'm definitely no atheist, but I don't believe in God per se.
We can in no way disproof of prove the existence of a greater being/force and I am willing to accept, eager even, to accept that there is one. You know, I don't WANT to be maggot-food when I die; I want there to be a paradise of ever happiness and all that shit. But I just can't bring myself to believe that there is. But at the same time the universe is - in my opinion - way to complex both to be created by chance and to be created by any sentient being.
I used to call myself a christian, heck, I was even an active member of my church youth-group thing, until I realized that I don't believe in the christian god. That was just a label for any higher being that I naively cling to in a hope that I and those I love won't just disappear when they die. And since it felt really wrong teaching teenagers about something with a sound principle, but still something I didn't believe in, i quit.
I still cling to the hope that there is a higher being out there that will let me live on in my own, personal paradise when I die, but I refuse to label that hope.
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Chlor wrote...
I'm definitely no atheist, but I don't believe in God per se.We can in no way disproof of prove the existence of a greater being/force and I am willing to accept, eager even, to accept that there is one.
I've got some bad news for you, you're an atheist (atheist-agnostic to be exact).
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Rbz wrote...
Chlor wrote...
I'm definitely no atheist, but I don't believe in God per se.We can in no way disproof of prove the existence of a greater being/force and I am willing to accept, eager even, to accept that there is one.
I've got some bad news for you, you're an atheist (atheist-agnostic to be exact).
Athesim is denying the possibility of a diety. There IS no god, never have, never will. I'm willing to accept that there is. And Agnostic-atheism is most commonly referred to as "Not believing in the existence of a god, but accepting that there is no proof for it."
Sill, I neither believe or don't. If you have to put a label on it, I'm agnostic.
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I'm an Atheist, I understand why people would be agnostic (well at least TAP). But I think it's a mistep in logic,As by the theory that an agnostic like that would go along would be that we ought to be TAP about an invisible flying teapot. A common misconception I must say that the De facto Atheist is 100% that there is no God. I'm just a follower of scientific method.
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Chlor wrote...
Athesim is denying the possibility of a diety.That's a pretty bullshit definition, I think.
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"Atheism is traditionally defined as disbelief in the existence of God. As such, atheism involves active rejection of belief in the existence of God."
I hope the source you posted yourself will suffice.
if not I hope that at least EB will be enough.
There is no such thing as a personal definition of an already defined philosophical practice. You can argue that the meaning of the word "atheos" not necessarily means "a belief in the nonexistence of gods" but that really has nothing to do with the thoughts behind atheism.
And yet, this really doesn't matter does it?
I hope the source you posted yourself will suffice.
if not I hope that at least EB will be enough.
Encyclopedia Britannica wrote...
in general, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. (...) Atheism is also distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open the question whether there is a god or notWikipedia wrote...
Atheism is commonly described as the position that there are no deities. It can also mean the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. A broader meaning is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.Rbz wrote...
Atheism only means that if that's your own definition of atheismThere is no such thing as a personal definition of an already defined philosophical practice. You can argue that the meaning of the word "atheos" not necessarily means "a belief in the nonexistence of gods" but that really has nothing to do with the thoughts behind atheism.
And yet, this really doesn't matter does it?
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Chlor wrote...
I hope the source you posted yourself will suffice.It does, since it says, "This definition does not capture the atheism of many atheists, which is based on an indifference to the issue of God's existence."
Wikipedia wrote...
Atheism is commonly described as the position that there are no deities. It can also mean the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. A broader meaning is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.The bolded part I agree with.
Chlor wrote...
philosophical practiceMore a simple statement than philosophical practice. Agnosticism (the way T.H. Huxley thought of it) is more a "philosophical practice." It's like, "Oh man, I wish that the statement 'I don't believe in god' was condensed into one word."
This also helps agnosticism not be mutually exclusive to atheism, the way I see it.
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Rbz wrote...
It does, since it says, "This definition does not capture the atheism of many atheists, which is based on an indifference to the issue of God's existence."
But being indifferent to the question if God exist or not shouldn't make you an atheist. To be any kind of theist you need to have an opinion on the matter.
But, in my own opinion, wouldn't indifference to the fact if God exists or not be closer to the agnostic thoughts that we can't know if he does? As indifference neither tries to claim if he does or not.
A broader meaning is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.
This basically states the same thing that the other tow sentences did. An absence of belief would mean that you don't believe deities exists right?
Alright, I'm not even sure where I'm going with this but.. Claiming that you don't believe in deities are the same as claiming that they don't exist right? Otherwise you'd not be able to believe in your own statement.
Chlor wrote...
philosophical practiceRbz wrote...
More a simple statement than philosophical practice. Agnosticism (the way T.H. Huxley thought of it) is more a "philosophical practice." This also helps agnosticism not be mutually exclusive to atheism, the way I see it.
You're right, atheism is more of a statement than an actual practice, but you got the point, the thought behind atheism has a defined meaning.
Agnosticism is not mutually exclusive to atheism, I never stated that. But, agnosticism is also depending on theism, as it is a kind of middle-ground between the two.
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Rbz wrote...
cyw0rg wrote...
My point, as an Agnostic, I do believe the existence of an omnipotent one, but whether he uses his power for good or evil will always be a question!"Agnosticism is the position of believing that knowledge of the existence or non-existence of God is impossible... The agnostic holds that human knowledge is limited to the natural world, that the mind is incapable of knowledge of the supernatural."
Then you make the leap of logic of saying "I do believe the existence of an omnipotent one"
Intellectual dishonesty FTW!
Aud1o Blood wrote...
absence of evidence is not the evidence of absenceYes it is. Old piece of shit excuse is old. When a dickload of alleged psychics fail at being psychic, that lack of psychic shit happening is evidence of lack of psychic power.
Aud1o Blood wrote...
free will... The CreatorDo you happen to accept the finding of, say, genetic predispositions in humans?
Here's a slap of fact from wikipedia for you...
Agnostic theism
the view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence.
Like I'm saying to some people here, "Think before you speak... Because it's only looking obvious how stupid you are"....
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Chlor wrote...
To be any kind of theist you need to have an opinion on the matter.Which is that I don't believe in god.
Chlor wrote...
Claiming that you don't believe in deities are the same as claiming that they don't exist right?No, not really. The natural default to something is non belief. We are born with non belief in a god (i.e. atheist), yet that doesn't mean we claim that one doesn't exist.
cyw0rg wrote...
Here's a slap of fact from wikipedia for you...Agnostic theism
the view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence.
Like I'm saying to some people here, "Think before you speak... Because it's only looking obvious how stupid you are"....
Lol
I repeat, "Intellectual dishonesty FTW!"
Protip: When you stop having faith in the existence of something you openly admit you don't know exists, you'll seem less dumb.
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Rbz wrote...
Which is that I don't believe in god.That means you're not indifferent about god. That means you're an atheist yes. Indifference and non-belief are two different things.
Rbz wrote...
No, not really. The natural default to something is non belief. We are born with non belief in a god (i.e. atheist), yet that doesn't mean we claim that one doesn't exist.We are born being oblivious to the concept of god. Not meaning atheist. To be an atheist you have to make the conscious choice not to believe based on basic understanding of the concept. Claiming that you don't believe in deities but at the same time not claiming their nonexistence is just contradictory.
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How MORONIC can you get? What it only means is that Agnostics like us only see God in a philosophical way, but not in a religious way... We don't believe in the practices & stories of other religion like the bible, Allah, Ramadan, etc, But we believe of God's existence just like there is a cause for every effect...
Just like Chlor said, we're the borderline of Aetheist & Theist... We believe in possibilities, just like the philosophies of schrodinger's cat, wherein the cat can be dead or alive inside the box & that it's possibilities will always be there, unless someone opens it... In reality basis, no one has yet to find the absolute truth(or opened the box)...
Just like how science can now explain many of the religious wonders in a more realistic term, but still cannot find a convincing proof of where we all started... or rather, I'm more convinced of Einstein's philosophy that there is an "Original One", rather than an explosion out of nothing! Which basically only points to the question, where did the explosion came from? As opposed to that there already is an unknown being to begin with! Clear enough for you nimrod?
Just like Chlor said, we're the borderline of Aetheist & Theist... We believe in possibilities, just like the philosophies of schrodinger's cat, wherein the cat can be dead or alive inside the box & that it's possibilities will always be there, unless someone opens it... In reality basis, no one has yet to find the absolute truth(or opened the box)...
Just like how science can now explain many of the religious wonders in a more realistic term, but still cannot find a convincing proof of where we all started... or rather, I'm more convinced of Einstein's philosophy that there is an "Original One", rather than an explosion out of nothing! Which basically only points to the question, where did the explosion came from? As opposed to that there already is an unknown being to begin with! Clear enough for you nimrod?
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Energy=Life=God is the way I look at it, learned that from my girlfriend and it's the only logical version of god I've heard so I see it like that now. So "god" is just energy in my eyes, because I am Cyclops, now bow down bitches!
When it comes to religion I have come to this conclusion though, it's complete bullshit. I'm fine if you are religious, I just find organized religion to be very illogical and not rational what so ever. It was a good way to control the masses, but now it's not needed in my opinion, and I find it to be a crutch that people rely on (not trying to hurt your feelings if you are religious, just how I see it).
Oh and if there is a god, and he sends ANYONE to hell I deem him an asshole. I don't think anyone deserves an eternity of torture (yes not even Hitler, Son of Sam, etc.).
When it comes to religion I have come to this conclusion though, it's complete bullshit. I'm fine if you are religious, I just find organized religion to be very illogical and not rational what so ever. It was a good way to control the masses, but now it's not needed in my opinion, and I find it to be a crutch that people rely on (not trying to hurt your feelings if you are religious, just how I see it).
Oh and if there is a god, and he sends ANYONE to hell I deem him an asshole. I don't think anyone deserves an eternity of torture (yes not even Hitler, Son of Sam, etc.).
