Do you hate the U.S?
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I don't hate the United States.
It's a decent place to live.
It's the people that I don't like and fuck shit up.
It's a decent place to live.
It's the people that I don't like and fuck shit up.
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Hmm... what do I think 'bout the US... "indifferent," I guess (?). I live in Michigan, and not to say that I hate the US, but I really question our form of government. Then again, the only perfect form of government (or lack there of, if you will) is communism, and there is no such things as humans living idealistic communism (Stalin lead the USSR, which did not have a true form of communism. This statement also holds true for North Korea, Vietnam, and Cuba). Democracy is okay, and I appreciate capitalism, but sometimes I wonder if the US can be improved through becoming a more isolated country, as for every one thing I like 'bout the US, they do something I hate (like go into pointless wars such as Vietnam). So yeah, sorry I rambled a bit.
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Tsurayu wrote...
Yes, well, look where that got us. Now the U.S. thinks it is entitled to spread democracy like some kid of deformed belief of Manifest Destiny and that now we can interfere in any country's affairs when really they just want us to butt the Hell out.I'm sorry when ever somebody says Isolationist I get so pissed off because we were so close before WW2 and then we'd all be Nazis by now.
Yubiseiharukana wrote...
I wonder if the US can be improved through becoming a more isolated country,I think we already established that Isolationist U.S = New Hitler and no more jew's. (jew haters)
Tsurayu wrote...
That's why I despise the United Nations so much.What how can you possibly despise the UN sure it’s corrupt and shit happens there all the time but where isn’t like that? I mean at least the worlds talking to each other and not just forming alliances like WW1 and 2. The more nations talk the more we find out were similar.
But to stay on topic what is with everyone saying I love the country just not the people well don't the people make the country. I feel as if they really don't know Americans. I have met my share of asshole Americans but most people I know are good people they want peace and understanding. Sure most Americans are self centered (I am) but I generally think that most Americans want the world to finally accept each other for their differences.
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GinIchimaru_09 wrote...
Tsurayu wrote...
Yes, well, look where that got us. Now the U.S. thinks it is entitled to spread democracy like some kid of deformed belief of Manifest Destiny and that now we can interfere in any country's affairs when really they just want us to butt the Hell out.I'm sorry when ever somebody says Isolationist I get so pissed off because we were so close before WW2 and then we'd all be Nazis by now.
Yubiseiharukana wrote...
I wonder if the US can be improved through becoming a more isolated country,I think we already established that Isolationist U.S = New Hitler and no more jew's. (jew haters)
So here's a question for ya: when was this established? The main question for this though is, why would we become a nazi nation?
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GinIchimaru_09 wrote...
Tsurayu wrote...
Yes, well, look where that got us. Now the U.S. thinks it is entitled to spread democracy like some kid of deformed belief of Manifest Destiny and that now we can interfere in any country's affairs when really they just want us to butt the Hell out.I'm sorry when ever somebody says Isolationist I get so pissed off because we were so close before WW2 and then we'd all be Nazis by now.
Yubiseiharukana wrote...
I wonder if the US can be improved through becoming a more isolated country,I think we already established that Isolationist U.S = New Hitler and no more jew's. (jew haters)
Tsurayu wrote...
That's why I despise the United Nations so much.What how can you possibly despise the UN sure it’s corrupt and shit happens there all the time but where isn’t like that? I mean at least the worlds talking to each other and not just forming alliances like WW1 and 2. The more nations talk the more we find out were similar.
But to stay on topic what is with everyone saying I love the country just not the people well don't the people make the country. I feel as if they really don't know Americans. I have met my share of asshole Americans but most people I know are good people they want peace and understanding. Sure most Americans are self centered (I am) but I generally think that most Americans want the world to finally accept each other for their differences.
And talking is doing us what exactly? It's just a waste of funding, especially from the U.S. I'd rather our money be spent on something that mattered.
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rbz123 wrote...
So here's a question for ya: when was this established? The main question for this though is, why would we become a nazi nation?Before WW2 the U.S public opinion was we don’t want to get into another WW fair enough I mean Hitler was Europe’s problem right? So if the U.S had decided to stay Isolationist and keep to itself. We all know Hitler would have fucking owned what was left of Russia and continued conquering what was left with the rest of the world. With Europe gone and the U.S sitting on “your” fat asses who would stop him hmmmm? But then again Hitler would have never come over to America…..
I used Nazis as an example but it doesn’t matter if the world doesn’t step in to each other’s matters some smart ass will be like oh shit I can do whatever the fuck I want not like anyone’s going to do anything about it.
Tsurayu wrote...
And talking is doing us what exactly? It's just a waste of funding, especially from the U.S. I'd rather our money be spent on something that mattered.Well what good would just sitting in our countries complaining about everyone else do for world peace? Isn't that what we all want no more wars and for everyone to get along (I mean it will never happen) But isn't not better to at least try than to just spawn the lone hate that builds up when there’s no communication.
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GinIchimaru_09 wrote...
Well what good would just sitting in our countries complaining about everyone else do for world peace? Isn't that what we all want no more wars and for everyone to get along (I mean it will never happen) But isn't not better to at least try than to just spawn the lone hate that builds up when there’s no communication.Honestly? No. I don't really think so. It's not as though anything is being acomplished with the U.N. Something like that just can't be majority rules. I mean for one the United States holds the U.N. together. Over 22% of the total funding of the U.N. comes from the United States alone and as we proved with the Iraq war when we don't agree with the United Nations we just tell them "screw off" and do what we want anyway. However, when another nation refuses to abide by the U.N. or their sanctions it's practically a decleration of war. I guess what I'm trying to get is the U.N. is already two sided. It's just a waste of money. I mean that 22% (afraid I don't have that number) could be used for any number of things, which actually did something and mattered.
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Im norwegian, and when the U.S is represented on TV they're represented as idiots. from what i've seen of TV programs coming from the U.S such as those fat camps and random tv-series and from what i have experienced with americans when i've actually met them.... god freaking damnit some of the are so melo-dramatic about everything. I can remember once i was at one of Norway's most visited places (tourism at Fløyen), and i saw a american couple together with their kids (every single one of them was considered F.A.T), anyhow when they looked at the view the female got all dramatic and starting crying because it was so beautiful, and then she started shouting at her husband (if he was ;o) for forgetting a camera (oh well, i understand her there). But that moment just kind of... proved all the negative-related stuff that media sends from America.
As a "foreign" (^^) this list is what i think about when i hear the word american:
- Fat
- Melo-dramatic
- An idiot named W.Bush
- Elected a black president because it would be a good symbol to show that there is no public oppression left in america (what the norwegian news tells us)
- Did i say fat?
- Senter of the world
- They will freaking kill Norway if we stop delivering oil to them D:
So yes, i have a negative point of view when it comes to America. It's probably a neat country, but i hate dramatic people...
As a "foreign" (^^) this list is what i think about when i hear the word american:
- Fat
- Melo-dramatic
- An idiot named W.Bush
- Elected a black president because it would be a good symbol to show that there is no public oppression left in america (what the norwegian news tells us)
- Did i say fat?
- Senter of the world
- They will freaking kill Norway if we stop delivering oil to them D:
So yes, i have a negative point of view when it comes to America. It's probably a neat country, but i hate dramatic people...
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DaRay wrote...
Im norwegian, and when the U.S is represented on TV they're represented as idiots. from what i've seen of TV programs coming from the U.S such as those fat camps and random tv-series and from what i have experienced with americans when i've actually met them.... god freaking damnit some of the are so melo-dramatic about everything. I can remember once i was at one of Norway's most visited places (tourism at Fløyen), and i saw a american couple together with their kids (every single one of them was considered F.A.T), anyhow when they looked at the view the female got all dramatic and starting crying because it was so beautiful, and then she started shouting at her husband (if he was ;o) for forgetting a camera (oh well, i understand her there). But that moment just kind of... proved all the negative-related stuff that media sends from America.As a "foreign" (^^) this list is what i think about when i hear the word american:
- Fat
- Melo-dramatic
- An idiot named W.Bush
- Elected a black president because it would be a good symbol to show that there is no public oppression left in america (what the norwegian news tells us)
- Did i say fat?
- Senter of the world
- They will freaking kill Norway if we stop delivering oil to them D:
So yes, i have a negative point of view when it comes to America. It's probably a neat country, but i hate dramatic people...
You can't believe everything the news tells you.
American TV shows are not a good representation of real American life, just like how most of the shows in a country aren't a good representation of real life in that country.
Americans didn't elect Obama to show that there's no such thing as racism, and that's kind of offensive. Not very offensive, only a teeny tiny bit, but still. Obama was elected because he was a Democrat, and we had just had eight years with a very stupid Republican. That, and his speeches often were optimistic and sounded like he could help the citizens out a lot.
As for a lot of Americans being fat, for better or for worse, this is a very privileged country. A lot of people in America can afford to eat as much as they want. Plus, our culture is very fast-paced, due to all sorts of circumstances, and it's acceptable to eat fast food all the time, instead of spending time making food that isn't slathered in grease. It's mostly a product of the culture. I'm not excusing the outrageous obesity, but it's not like every fat American is that way just because of he/she loves food and hates running. There's a bigger picture to look at.
I'd also like to mention that fat people don't solely exist in America. Often, when people complain about Americans being fat, it's like they don't acknowledge that fat people exist in any other country.
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ShaggyJebus wrote...
As for a lot of Americans being fat, for better or for worse, this is a very privileged country. A lot of people in America can afford to eat as much as they want. Plus, our culture is very fast-paced, due to all sorts of circumstances, and it's acceptable to eat fast food all the time, instead of spending time making food that isn't slathered in grease. It's mostly a product of the culture. I'm not excusing the outrageous obesity, but it's not like every fat American is that way just because of he/she loves food and hates running. There's a bigger picture to look at.
I'd also like to mention that fat people don't solely exist in America. Often, when people complain about Americans being fat, it's like they don't acknowledge that fat people exist in any other country.
Fat countries are fat
To add to shaggy's statement. Weight gain is part of our culture. Our ever increasing reliance on fast food in combination with our increasingly sedentary lifestyles is a prime way for people to gain weight. If you work in a cubical or at a desk all day you aren't going to get much exercise since once you get home you still have a life to manage so exercise tends to be left by the wayside.
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I have a love hate relationship with my country. I hate America because of how lazy a group we are and all that stereotypical shit but at the same time I love this country because we're so fucking developed. I don't intend to stay here but I don't see anyway to get out and maintain a good life.
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GinIchimaru_09 wrote...
rbz123 wrote...
So here's a question for ya: when was this established? The main question for this though is, why would we become a nazi nation?Before WW2 the U.S public opinion was we don’t want to get into another WW fair enough I mean Hitler was Europe’s problem right? So if the U.S had decided to stay Isolationist and keep to itself. We all know Hitler would have fucking owned what was left of Russia and continued conquering what was left with the rest of the world. With Europe gone and the U.S sitting on “your” fat asses who would stop him hmmmm? But then again Hitler would have never come over to America…..
I used Nazis as an example but it doesn’t matter if the world doesn’t step in to each other’s matters some smart ass will be like oh shit I can do whatever the fuck I want not like anyone’s going to do anything about it.
You have a point. US would never have been able to fight off Hitler alone if we decided to abstain from joining with Europe against him in WWII. Especially since the Germans were creating their own A-bombs that were going to roll out in 1946, along with jets and stealth bombers (1 year after the war ended so we were lucky). Also, Hitler WOULD have come to America since his goal was to make the Aryan race the ONLY race. The truce with Japan was only supposed to last for another 10 years.
I also owe my freedom to America being forward about foreign policy. If it weren't for the US backing South Korea during the Korean war, I would have been born under the red flag...
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Ok I've been reason some of your post (and fuck me sideways man did I have fun readin, I even got me some popcorn) and I would like to mention just a few things. First and formost EVERYONE CALM YOUR NIPS I thought this conversation might lead into religion but holy crap some of u realy fuckin hate d church I mean being aethist is totaly cool (most of my friends are aetheist) but it's totaly different when your a hater. So rbz123 calm d fuck down. Next please remeber this is a conversation about y ppl hate d US not gay marrage (seriosly how d u get gay marrige from y does everyone hate d US). Also while this is a debate I would like to say that we are ALL friends here and I'd rather we didn't fight cus this was on the verge of being a 2 ppl (intelligent) flame war. Anyway back to the conversation *grabs som more popcorn and keeps reading*
Edit:I think I wrote this just a tad bit to late XP
Edit:I think I wrote this just a tad bit to late XP
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I don't have that much to share since i havent been to the States in a while, but i hate the US because it presents itself as the center of the entire universe and that anything else is treated as less important that the ol'US of A. Seems like quite a lot of this presents itself in the media. Such as FOX news or CNN compared to another news network like BBC. The US networks seems to like their ratings much more than presenting actual news, a great example would be be their reports on ANON and Encyclopedia Dramatica (i highly suggest you check those out, lulz). While, BBC on the other hand does not seem to have these kinds of new reports (as far as i have seen).
All in all, I hate the US and take it from me, I was BORN THERE!
All in all, I hate the US and take it from me, I was BORN THERE!
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fayt wrote...
I was BORN THERE!So who gives a fuck a lot of people hear on Fakku are from the U.S you’re just the only traitor (laugh)
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GinIchimaru_09 wrote...
fayt wrote...
I was BORN THERE!So who gives a fuck a lot of people hear on Fakku are from the U.S you’re just the only traitor (laugh)
Shame on you for mentioning only that one point.
fayt wrote...
I don't have that much to share since i havent been to the States in a while, but i hate the US because it presents itself as the center of the entire universe and that anything else is treated as less important that the ol'US of A. Seems like quite a lot of this presents itself in the media.The moment you said media, you discredited everything you were talking about. Is it so wrong though, for a country to care about itself?
fayt wrote...
Such as FOX news or CNN compared to another news network like BBC. The US networks seems to like their ratings much more than presenting actual newsNews from Fox news? Never heard of it. CNN also seems pretty biased as well.
fayt wrote...
While, BBC on the other hand does not seem to have these kinds of new reports (as far as i have seen).Because some people actually do care about what's important.
Not really a good reason to hate the country. Just hate the fucking media.
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fayt wrote...
I don't have that much to share since i havent been to the States in a while, but i hate the US because it presents itself as the center of the entire universe and that anything else is treated as less important that the ol'US of A. Seems like quite a lot of this presents itself in the media. Such as FOX news or CNN compared to another news network like BBC. The US networks seems to like their ratings much more than presenting actual news, a great example would be be their reports on ANON and Encyclopedia Dramatica (i highly suggest you check those out, lulz). While, BBC on the other hand does not seem to have these kinds of new reports (as far as i have seen). All in all, I hate the US and take it from me, I was BORN THERE!
FOX and CNN? You just mentioned the two most politically biased Conservative and Liberal networks, respectfully. I'd like to hope that anyone with half-a-brain doesn't, at least exclusively, get their news from FOX or CNN.
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FOX and CNN? You just mentioned the two most politically biased Conservative and Liberal networks, respectfully. I'd like to hope that anyone with half-a-brain doesn't, at least exclusively, get their news from FOX or CNN.
Really? CNN is the most liberally biased network in the U.S.? Whoa. That's rather hard-core.
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gibbous wrote...
FOX and CNN? You just mentioned the two most politically biased Conservative and Liberal networks, respectfully. I'd like to hope that anyone with half-a-brain doesn't, at least exclusively, get their news from FOX or CNN.
Really? CNN is the most liberally biased network in the U.S.? Whoa. That's rather hard-core.
To each is their own, although I might be willing to argue that MSNBC holds that honor. Pretty close call.
I noticed you didn't question FOX. :P
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I don't like some of the people there, some of the media, some the organization, and some of the shitty policies... just some...
But I don't hate the US outright, just some...
Even though millions of people worldwide suffers from US policies...
I still wouldn't hate them totally... just some...
Been in the US for a few times myself, and its not that bad (sure some of 'em are xenophobics, but like I said repetitively before, just some of 'em not all)
Any country can be dick once in a while...
Nothing is perfect...
My country is full of dickheads at the moment...
But I would put a bullet in George Walker Bush forehead, given a chance...
But I don't hate the US outright, just some...
Even though millions of people worldwide suffers from US policies...
I still wouldn't hate them totally... just some...
Been in the US for a few times myself, and its not that bad (sure some of 'em are xenophobics, but like I said repetitively before, just some of 'em not all)
Any country can be dick once in a while...
Nothing is perfect...
My country is full of dickheads at the moment...
But I would put a bullet in George Walker Bush forehead, given a chance...