Islam is a peaceful religion.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/veena-malik-missing-since-2-days/888984/

Islam being a religion of peace, im 100% sure she's safe.

Right?

Right?

What the hell???

Another religious talk???? @#$%^&!!

Lol, yea, but you forgot to mention that this show have lost most of its sponsoring because it refuses to show only the crazy muslims, which is the picture the media and the american government has worked hard to paint for you these last 10 years, and as you said instead shows the general, normal muslims.

EDIT: LAwl, you can't handle the truth?

Great. Make it happen then. And let me tell you, denying any violent aspects that could be derived from your religion is just going to make people think you're hiding things. So...stop.



Easy then. Denounce the other muslims that are thugs. Denounce them and say, "Those guys are Muslims, but I don't agree with their interpretation, and this is my interpretation." Again, simply denying ANY violence in Islam is not helping you. It makes you look like a liar. Not saying you are, I'm just saying what denying the obvious does.



Fine, then force that idea of a Jihad into popular usage. Encourage your fellow Muslims to use Jihad in that way. Encourage the media to recognize Jihad in this way. This isn't easy. This isn't something that can be cured overnight. There have been hundreds of years of people getting bad raps from Muslims. There have been centuries upon centuries of Muslims(no, not all muslims, but muslims all the same)declaring spiritual war on the infidels, and saying they have some sort of 'divine right' to land and whatnot, and are willing to kill to fulfill this right. It's now on modern muslims to change that. To do exactly as Christians did and abandon those ancient beliefs outright, as well as denounce those that still claim to follow them. You need to promote the peacefulness you want people to recognize, not just simply assert that it's peaceful.

There's only one actual 100% peaceful religion, and that's Jainism. And that's only because Jainism's CORE tenet...is nonviolence. That's literally their main focus. And they go through insane lengths to make sure they don't hurt anyone or anything. they sweep the ground in front of them to make sure they never step on bugs. They wear gauze on their face in case they accidentally swallow bugs. That's a peaceful religion...Islam is NOTHING like that. So...try another route.



I understand, but espousing that no violence is inherent in the religion isn't true, and people who don't already agree with you will feel like you're lying to them the more you try to say it. I encourage you to go to a different route concerning all this discussion of peace and whatnot.

Edit: Ethil, I actually didn't neg rep you. I positive repped you because...well...I agreed.

I guess you believe in Jainism, right?
You are one of the people who believes in Jainism because you are strongly justified Jainism as a peaceful religion.

Lol, if I've convinced you that being a Jain sounds like a good idea, you can go ahead and convert...but I'm not a Jain.

See, you're missing the point. Having any sort of dogma, be it violent or nonviolent, in my opinion based on some sort of arbitrary set of rules you impose on yourself because of some sort of spiritual self appointed authority...is just fucking silly.

I don't have a religion...I simply base my beliefs and behaviors based off of a philosophy of rational thought, critical thinking, skepticism, trust in science, and utilitarian morals.

Hey Lundi, just tell me one thing: Why are you so fixated on this religion and atheism and whatnot?
I almost never see you on any other thread.
If you really are devoted to science and logic and whatnot, then act like so.

My...I'm not convinced at all.Your words are provoking and I'm not a kind of person that will betray my own belief that I have critically examined its truth and not following it blindly.I'm just like you, believing rational things.And having a belief is rational.If we live with just science and not faith,that is nonsense.Why should science and belief be separated?They both come from the same essence;God.My religion told me that and after I've seen experiments and proof,I believe my belief is true.Because scientific results came out few years ago,but the Quran already told us about 1400 years ago.Amazing,right?Because that time no one made scientific experiments.So,who knows about these things?Allah Himself made science and belief,so people will know his Greatness.

Excuse me,brother...
You should not use the word"violence" because people will misunderstand about this.
You should say" we retaliate in order to protect our religion's creed."We don't use violence, we just retaliate the wrongdoings of our enemy

No one would believe what Muslim people said if they don't support it with evidence from the Qur'an, even some people would still deny it if there were evidences from Qur'an anyway, that's just how it is here from what I see, no offence intended..

Well, I'm not a scientist. However I have defended things like climate change and evolution using scientific sources. I just posted over in the thread about disease with my 2 cents on the condition of what diseases end up like in the future based on past precedents. I've made posts about morality, and even a post about logic.

But I focus on religion moreso because...I think it's important. Religion is the biggest influencing factor where I live. The United States has a population that is not only religious, but overtly religious. Three republican candidates, during a ebate, when asked if they reject evolution, shot their hands straight up. Rick Perry just came out with an ad proclaiming to be shameless about his Christianity and denouncing the idea of gays serving openly in the military. Michelle Bachman came out and made so many religiously ignorant statements about homosecuals and whatnot it was incredible, including that she finds the lifestyle immoral, and that she firmly believes it's a choice. Herman Cain said he believed it was a choice as well.

George Bush Jr. awhile back tried to help Intelligent Design get put into schools by appointing a conservative judge in Dover Pennsylvania, and even said himself the jury's still out on evolution for him.

George Bush Sr. Came out awhile back and claimed atheists aren't real citizens of the united states.

The Catholic Church is so corrupt and screwy that they'll say "AIDS is bad, but Condoms are worse." And they'd rather move priests around to separate churches that have raped little boys than excommunicate them because they want to keep up their image.

Psychics rip people off for hundreds of dollars a piece to tell them useless made up garbage without ever showing their abilities to actually be true. Homeopathic medicine is sponsored by several governments around the world, including the Us and many of Europe's governments, and the problem is it hasn't even been shown to work.
Religion and superstition are a huge force in the world, and I know some fellow atheists disagree with me, but I find it to be the most destructive force in the world as well.

Just yesterday I met a guy who claimed to be a faith healer, and indeed I saw him try and push his bullshit on someone else. He has no education in psychology, yet he encourages people to not go see professionals in the field, nor take any medicine, because he believes his god will heal them if they're to be healed. And he even encourages them to tell the most traumatic and private stories of their lives so that he can post them on the internet as examples of "cured" people.

Does that answer your question?

Not really. You just seemed unsatisfied with how those "faked" religions act.
There are a whole lot more thing much more important to discuss rather than religions right now. Personally, fuck that, people believe in what they want to believe.

No. Not when they are using their religion as an excuse to censor and fuck things up by saying "this offends me". It's something that can not be allowed.

To be exact guys, many of the main religions are peaceful, unless you have a moron who twists it in someway that leads their followers to go suicide bombings for the moron's wish.

Saying that Islam is peaceful is an absolute. Absolutes are usually wrong by default (in this case it is), which is the greatest flaw in your argument. None of the 3 major religions are peaceful. Since Islam and Christianity derives its source to Judaism, none of them are devoid of violence as God did support acts of violence against non-believers in the Old Testament.

BTW Joker, when you respond to Big Lundi's posts, please try to make good arguments supported by evidence instead of using ad hominem. It only destroy the reader's sympathy to your side.

But the thing is, this IS about extremists. There are several dictatorships that are not muslim, and several muslim countries that are not dictatorships. Discrimination against women, homosexual and people of other religious (or non-religious) beliefs exist in many countries. In most cases, the "millions of people" do not actually live under a dictator because they think it is a swell kind of life; they do it because they do not have a choice, muslim or not. The thing about a dictatorship is that the people do not, in general, have much to say about what the government does, and I highly doubt that the average muslim has so much spare time that they would find it interesting to bomb a bus in a country on the other side of the globe.

No, I believe that you are wrong by saying "It isn't just a handful that is making a 'bad name' for Islam", because that is exactly what it is. I'd even argue that this is not even a question about religion. This is a question of government and extremist factions lies, propaganda and misinformation to the people, people which, seeing how they live in totalitarian states, seldom have the opportunity to inform themselves about the rest of the world (North Korea being a splendid example, even though it is not a muslim country).

No, Islam is not the problem, no more than any other religion in the rest of the world (especially not Christianity). The problem is the small amount of people with a desire for power and a fear of losing it and their military resources making it possible for them to achieve their ambitions.

Thank you very much for your sincere feedback.Since Lundi himself don't ask me about
any evidence of Islam's relation with science,I tried to convince him throughly with my words.Any way, I appreciate your comment very much.