N. Korean Artillery Fires Upon S. Korea

SK was, indeed, warned.
HOWEVER, this goes back to the example neko-chan gave. SK can do whatever they fucking want. It's their territory. If NK felt threatened, they should've given enough warning shots, instead of shooting at civilians right away.
Also, I believe SK wasn't even given enough time to get their shit away.

I assume you're saying that NK had a right to bombard SK with artillery because they felt threatened.
Then does that mean USA and SK can bombard Pyungyang because they feel threatened about the Uranium facility? I'm pretty sure both of them gave NK enough warnings about stopping their nuclear activities.



Good point. But they are not trustworthy. Too many lies were made by NK recently.



Please re-post this with revision for grammatical errors. I was not able to understand you at all here.

North Korea was not in the right to bombard South Korean civilians without warning. That's an inexcusable action, no matter what way you look at it. North Korea has been fucking shit up for years, I'd almost say we should go to war with them if not for the fact that a nuclear holocaust might occur. I don't honestly think China would help North Korea out (Maybe with arms supply) if a few of the world's most powerful nations turned their guns on them.

1. Yes we know killing civilian is wrong however if they really are going to war more civilian would be killed and that is something that can not been evaded. And i never said that NK had a right to bombard SK as they feel threatened however i think every human will also retaliate if they feel threatened don't they?



2.In this part i do not really agree with you as what i believe is that every sides is not really trustworthy. How many of your friends that you really could believe? In this world every lies could change into truth depending which sides you are looking for. If you pro NK you would believe more on NK info while if you pro SK you would believe more on SK info which is why i said we should check first for the truth of this problem.



3. Sorry if you don't really understand as English is not my first language.
What i meant is even if there are already reason to start the war against NK. Goverment don't just suddenly start the war as they need to consider many things from economy to even political stability.

Just because you feel threatened doesn't mean you can retaliate. I can't go kill my neighbor just because I'm scared he is going to attack me one day. You have to have a good reason to attack back and especially if you are going to attack first.



South Korea has free media. The reporters will try to tell a story based on facts - it might be nationally biased, but they also have to stay to the main facts and reality since if their news is false, it will be reported in other countries like the US and Japan that SK has lying news cast. Also, their citizens can check the internet for other news sources. So the news and point of views from SK will be fair and manly unbaised.

NK has control over state news. For all we know, the NK people have no idea of what happened and it could of never of been reported. The government censors everything, and they don't have access to outside news sources. So if SK attacks back and people wonder why SK is attacking them, NK will just announce on the state controled news, "They are attacking us because they are assholes!"

This, so much this.

And besides, even if they were genuinely threatened, why not bomb a military base? Let's face it, they just shelled a shit out of that island, not giving a fuck who they're going to hit (or even if it hits, period).
If they're so "threatened" why bomb civilians who were harmless to North Korea? Where's logic in that? If they were really scared of military exercises, they might have wanted fired on the navy instead.

That was a pure act of aggression, no matter what North says.


Now, in other news, A Nimitz-class aircraft carrier, USS George Washington has departed from it's stationed naval base in Japan, to South Korea, to join in with military exercises that were planned before the attack.

CNN report on that

Still, if North tries remotely to do anything to it, shit will get real, especially with South president ordering retaliatory missile attacks on Northern military bases, in case of further attacks.

Its obvious that NK was just looking for an excuse to attack, I mean come on, NK does military drills all the time
Plus, SK can do whatever they want, its not like its a tributary country to NK or anything. NK just wanted the attention, to remind the world that they are still the same bastards. One wrong step from NK at this point will trigger war. I'm glad that Lee Myoung Bak took a hard line towards NK, because enough is enough. A clear attack on SK, and their excuse is military drills?

As a South Korean, I believe wholeheartedly that the south korean gov. should attack North Korea. You wouldn't believe how pissed they are. From what I heard from my friends living in South Korea, the majority of the people got tired of this bullshit. They sent food, aids, and supplies. And what do they get? They get attacked by the same supplies that the north turned to weapons. Have you seen the videos of whats going on in NK? It's SICK. Some people are literally eating garbage and starving to death. Anybody in their right minds should agree to attack north korea and free the poor people.

First off, NK's attack was a response to SK military exercises in NORTH KOREAN waters, they even warned them. Yes, it North Korean territory NOT South Korean territory. Also considering that the island they attacked was never recognized and agreed upon by NK as SK territory they aren't really "attacking" SK territory at all.



Oh okay, going by this logic Osama bin Laden is fully justified in his actions and his war against the west then?



Be fucking real, your analogy to playground antics doesn't even begin to relate to real world politics in the slightest bit.



lol what are you one about here. Propaganda is rampant everywhere in every media even USA - hear of a thing called Fox? I very much doubt there wouldn't be strong bias, especially for a country that is trying to rally up support for a war against NK. Let me ask you, how many people use the internet for news coverage rather than the TV? Not many, otherwise TV media would be out of a fucking job. Now let me ask you, of whom of the population are the voters and the majority of the population? That's right, adults, parents. Now when was the last time you saw adults use the internet for a news source rather than the television? Also have you ever heard of a thing called nationalism? Yeah that thing, Asian countries like SK usually have a strong case of that. Unbiased my ass.

First of all i didn't read through every ones thread so if someone has already mentioned this i'm sorry for the repeat.
The best thing that could possibly happen is that Kim jung Un (King jung il's son) well be a little bit more open to worldly and peaceful ideas since he studied in a private school in sweden. Worst is that North korea's Economy falls and China invades to take over because seriously we wont be able to stop china from doing that.
The current situation is heading towards a huge bluff that North korea will probably play and that's the Nuclear one. While these "acts of war" may be committed by North Korea, South korea really hasn't done anything to stop them. Sure trying to stop them may end in war but dammit they need to stop being so passive and do something before North korea "Accidentlly" starts killing off a huge Number of south koreans.

Fun fact:

Yeonpyeong Island is a South territory, a fact that is recognized internationally. Even North had recognized that in the past, so it ain't their territory in the slightest.

It lies 12 km away from Northern Limit Line. In 90's though, Northern Korea arbitrarily pushed the line South, though it's claim not recognized internationally.

So yeah, it's their territory. Only in North's opinion though /sarcasm.


Countries can and had done preemptive attacks in the past; but this time, there is no sign that South was preparing any military action at the time. So it's not really North being scared, it's them being dicks.

And if they really wanted South to withdrew military from there, they got the opposite thing:

BBC update on the situation

Land forces will be deployed on five islands close to Northern border, amids the North's threats of further attacks.

I hope that a war wont come but its probaly a just a dream since its bound to happend if stuff like this keeps coming. I do however wonder what would happend if a war started and if Korea could become a whole nation again with the winds of change that a war bring.

You're wrong. Compeletly wrong. It was South Korean territory. That isn't even up for debate. The south just got to close to the boarder for N.K. comfort. And that is NK's problem they don't recognize south Korea's claim to the island - they are the ones that live there and the rest of the world and the entire UN acknowledges it.



Nope, that doesn't even come close to the same thing. Nobody in the west is going to attack Osama bin Laden if he didn't attack first. Nobody even knew who he was.



Yes it does. You don’t even have to read that as an analogy – NK is SK’s neighbor and they are attacking them because they say it is justified because are scared they are going to be attacked back by SK and the US.



Wow, seriously? A lot of people use the internet for news coverage. I’m an adult, and so is everyone else on this site. We can vote. A lot of people did vote last election, and guess why Mr. Obama won? The damn internet. Sorry sir, but we aren’t a bunch of youths that are powerless – people of all ages are now online and seeing headline news on their homepages and talking about it with people they know on Facebook.

And of course there is bias in the news, but nobody in America or any other democratic government gets their news from one source. How do you think we even know that Fox is biased? The reason is because we have other news sources to check them against – we have right bias but we also have left bias. We have people in the middle and people in the extreme when it comes to points of view. NK doesn’t – they only have state media. There is no way for the people to compare the news to any other news source.

Sure south korea has nationalist, but they also have liberals and intellectuals. They have bloggers and they have pundits and politicians with different views. You can’t say they are the same as North Korea, because they aren’t. They aren’t even close.

Y'all think it'll go to a World War?... Sorry but dont make me laugh!

You think China actually gives a gee whiz about N Korea?

Chinas making mad money by being in bed with the filthy Bourgeois west, Their pretty much getting along to being a World superpower now and I seriously doubt they'll want to fuck that up for all the tea in China.

Russias out of the picture... N Korea has no real friends left!

The only thing they can possibly hope for is that the UN dont stick their noses into S Korea which is highly unlikely. (Nothing the UN likes more than to rummage through other peoples garbage)

In my opinion S Korea on its own is a fucking joke just like how S Vietnam was but I doubt that N Korea has the balls to go for an all out conventional war again. (They'd be crushed anyway after initial minor successes)

Its the usual boring N Korean bullshit. (Just learn from the Chinese already... To get along you have to go along!)

I agree NK is on its own and that a World War is defintely not going to happen. However, SK is definetly not alone so a NK attack would fail. SK is very close allies with the US, Britain, and Japan. Both the US and British have military bases and forces in Korea, and they aren't only there for show.

Tbh S Korea would be more effective than S Vietnam.
At least their government isn't as corrupt and leaking intel like a colander.
But than again they have support from the United States, just remember that the US pulled out of Vietnam because of political issues rather than wanting to win the war.
According to several accounts I've read so far it would have been a plausible to win the war if the Air Force wasn't limited to where they could bomb. And special operations wasn't a clusterfuck of political and military egos (although the men on the ground did the best they could with the situation).

In a nutshell the US war effort was crippled by politicians. The generals couldn't do their jobs with the constant meddling of pollies from the home front.

Also, vietnam didn't have an objective. It was just the idea of "hey, lets kill bad guys". We'd kill a bunch of guys, take over an area, then just abondon it. Later, we'd bomb it and take it back over just to ruin some one's day. Basically, our military strategy was to be dick to the VC.

Point being, South Korea is a unified and industrious nation. They'll have an objective and a time frame to do it in. If they need help, the US will do what it is pretty good at - kill a lot of bad guys. This time, they'll have a reason to do it.

As a point of interest, I am wondering how S. Koreans feel about a war that would invade NK. Do they feel like they would be attacking their own people? Or has so much time passed that the current generation doesn't feel a connection with the North Korean public beyond basic human compassion?

During the United States civil war, great generals like Robert E. Lee fought on the side of the south despite not sharing its point of views or values. But to him, he couldn't betray the place he called home or the people he called his country men. Is there any sort of sentiment like this in SK? Or has NK and its people become a foreign entity to them?

As a US citizen i feel that anyone that attacks our allies like that is declaring war on both our ally and us. I would prefer if this not turn into WW3 or something but if the North Koreans keep on doing provocative crap like that then with or without the support of China I say crush the North Koreans and unify Korea.

you know., If North Koreans wants war then give em some.. It's such a small country. why is it a big threat? is it because of their nukes? or is it because the trade relationship will disband..? i don't get it.. If they are anxious to get some money, then start a WAR.. I heard the US is also getting rich by that,,

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I don't think you can make a direct correlation to between NK and Iraq or Afganistan. You can draw similarities, but neither one of those countries was in a theoretical civil war.

It isn't like we'd have to occupy NK. SK already has a government, and like I was mentioning, NK and SKs might reconcil since they are the same people. They'll can possibly get along - just round everyone up and have them play starcraft or something.