Should Prostitution be legal?
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Selling sex is a lucrative business, but so is selling tobacco, and look at how that is going. It's legally killing people to become rich: would you really want to be as lazy as that? I personally think prostitution is lazy, and should not be okay. Whats the point of jobs then? Why have them if you can just be a quick-second nookie and get paid good money for it? The next thing you know the economy falls to prostitution and we are under a new government known as nookieocracy: Sell yourself for as high as possible.
Teaching your children to sell themselves for as much as they can get? It's not even about sex, but think about how diseases could be spread even easier with the authorization of prostitutuion. I think porn is as close to legal prostitution as it gets, and we see how that is already. Basically prostitution for me is bad because it is laziness.
I'm all for "It's a free country, do whatever you want" but come on. Think of how it could breed generations of lazy people. We have enough as it is, but it would get even worse.
Teaching your children to sell themselves for as much as they can get? It's not even about sex, but think about how diseases could be spread even easier with the authorization of prostitutuion. I think porn is as close to legal prostitution as it gets, and we see how that is already. Basically prostitution for me is bad because it is laziness.
I'm all for "It's a free country, do whatever you want" but come on. Think of how it could breed generations of lazy people. We have enough as it is, but it would get even worse.
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I have to say that the thought that legalizing it would make it safer for the people doing prositution is absurd. What goes on in the bedroom isn't going to be reported, and legal prostitution isn't going to stop illegal prostitution - the kind that is anonymous and isn't being recorded to ensure the saftey of the prostitute.
Actually, I don't even give a crap about the positives of legalizing it. I just don't want to live in a society where it is legal - it just seems fundementally wrong. Whoring yourself out is one thing - but to make a living off of it seems despicable to me.
Actually, I don't even give a crap about the positives of legalizing it. I just don't want to live in a society where it is legal - it just seems fundementally wrong. Whoring yourself out is one thing - but to make a living off of it seems despicable to me.
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I don't see how legalizing prostitution would do any good.
First, the government wouldn't just say, "It's okay to have sex in exchange for money." A whole business would be made out of it, like some people have already said. To be a real prostitute, you'd have to get a license, and only then would it be really legal. But who aspires to be a hooker? I bet a lot of prostitutes get into it because they need quick money. Why would they bother going to some establishment and getting certified?
Second, if you say it's legal, aren't you basically saying that it's acceptable? Not to say that no one should ever become a prostitute (that's idealistic), but if it is seen as an actual form of employment, then people can start aspiring to be hookers. Right now, hookers are viewed as negative by a lot of people, and that's partly why no one wants to be a hooker. But if we take that negativity away by saying that it's a legitimate job, then that may mean more people becoming hookers. And really, is that a good thing? I'd rather have fewer prostitutes.
That's not a great defense, I know, but I just cannot see how legalized prostitution across the country would be positive. A hooker could stand on the corner of my street, and I could do nothing about it. My kids could walk by her on their way to school. And if only brothels were allowed, that wouldn't stop the women who sell it on the street. They'd still be out there.
First, the government wouldn't just say, "It's okay to have sex in exchange for money." A whole business would be made out of it, like some people have already said. To be a real prostitute, you'd have to get a license, and only then would it be really legal. But who aspires to be a hooker? I bet a lot of prostitutes get into it because they need quick money. Why would they bother going to some establishment and getting certified?
Second, if you say it's legal, aren't you basically saying that it's acceptable? Not to say that no one should ever become a prostitute (that's idealistic), but if it is seen as an actual form of employment, then people can start aspiring to be hookers. Right now, hookers are viewed as negative by a lot of people, and that's partly why no one wants to be a hooker. But if we take that negativity away by saying that it's a legitimate job, then that may mean more people becoming hookers. And really, is that a good thing? I'd rather have fewer prostitutes.
That's not a great defense, I know, but I just cannot see how legalized prostitution across the country would be positive. A hooker could stand on the corner of my street, and I could do nothing about it. My kids could walk by her on their way to school. And if only brothels were allowed, that wouldn't stop the women who sell it on the street. They'd still be out there.
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ShaggyJebus wrote...
Second, if you say it's legal, aren't you basically saying that it's acceptable? Not to say that no one should ever become a prostitute (that's idealistic), but if it is seen as an actual form of employment, then people can start aspiring to be hookers. Right now, hookers are viewed as negative by a lot of people, and that's partly why no one wants to be a hooker. But if we take that negativity away by saying that it's a legitimate job, then that may mean more people becoming hookers. And really, is that a good thing? I'd rather have fewer prostitutes.What’s so wrong with being a prostitute as you said “if you say it's legal, aren't you basically saying that it's acceptable?” It’s not acceptable right now because it’s Illegal. There’s nothing wrong with being a prostitute (aside from it being illegal). Let’s break it down it’s someone taking a skill (having sex) most likely one there good at that normally there supposed to do for free and making people pay for it. Is that not the essence of capitalism? What’s so wrong about someone who didn’t get a proper education, or had some problem in their life that is preventing them from getting the job they wanted. Taking up a job that fit’s a skill they already have? How is having sex for money any different form having sex for free? (aside from the obviously increase/ decrease in your money).
ShaggyJebus wrote...
That's not a great defense, I know, but I just cannot see how legalized prostitution across the country would be positive. A hooker could stand on the corner of my street, and I could do nothing about it. My kids could walk by her on their way to school. And if only brothels were allowed, that wouldn't stop the women who sell it on the street. They'd still be out there. Well I would ask you why take a chance with a hooker on the corner that might have an STD and put yourself in more danger; when you could just go to the relative safety of the legalized hookers? More people would go to the legalized and eventually root out the street hookers. Just think what would you rather buy alcohol off the street or in a store?
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GinIchimaru_09 wrote...
What’s so wrong with being a prostitute as you said “if you say it's legal, aren't you basically saying that it's acceptable?” It’s not acceptable right now because it’s Illegal. There’s nothing wrong with being a prostitute (aside from it being illegal). Let’s break it down it’s someone taking a skill (having sex) most likely one there good at that normally there supposed to do for free and making people pay for it. Is that not the essence of capitalism? What’s so wrong about someone who didn’t get a proper education, or had some problem in their life that is preventing them from getting the job they wanted. Taking up a job that fit’s a skill they already have? How is having sex for money any different form having sex for free? (aside from the obviously increase/ decrease in your money).Right now, if my daughter (let's pretend I actually have a daughter) said, "I'm going to become a prostitute!" I'd be able to say that it was illegal and perhaps even threaten to turn her into the cops. Tough love, you know. But if prostitution was legal, I couldn't do shit. Now, that's not a very strong argument, especially since being a stripper is completely legal, but I'd feel better knowing that my daughter couldn't legally have sex for money. As for how prostitution is different from having sex for free, I'd also feel better knowing that my daughter wasn't a whore who slept around.
We can say that sex doesn't need love and that anyone who wants to can have sex whenever they want (as long as everyone consents), but I don't Brave New World to become a reality, where casual sex is not just accepted but endorsed. And while I don't believe that legalized prostitution would set us down that road, I know that it certainly wouldn't help keep us off of it.
[quote="GinIchimaru_09"]Well I would ask you why take a chance with a hooker on the corner that might have an STD and put yourself in more danger; when you could just go to the relative safety of the legalized hookers? More people would go to the legalized and eventually root out the street hookers. Just think what would you rather buy alcohol off the street or in a store?
If I was the kind of guy that might actually get a hooker, I'd probably go for the one on the street, because she'd probably cost a lot less money. And that's a big factor.
With legalized prostitution, I highly doubt they'd have clubs where you can get your dick sucked for ten bucks. They'd probably all be pricey.
Also, I'm sure a lot of people who buy hookers don't want to publicize the fact. If it was a legitimate business, there'd be paperwork, taxes, that sort of thing. If a married man wanted to get some from a working girl, he wouldn't go somewhere that required him to sign his name and provide proof that he had no diseases. He'd choose the trick in front of the alley, so there was no way to prove that he had actually seen her.
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GinIchimaru_09 wrote...
What’s so wrong with being a prostitute as you said “if you say it's legal, aren't you basically saying that it's acceptable?” It’s not acceptable right now because it’s Illegal. There’s nothing wrong with being a prostitute (aside from it being illegal).
I disagree here, I find it unacceptable and therefore it should illegal - not the other way around. There is something wrong with being a prostitute: it is degrading for both people and against our innate feelings of what is right.
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If it's gonna be legal, make it like in some EU countries. There is a woman, she has her own house, on a special street, or in a special place and she pais taxes too. IOW though goverment or municipal control.
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ShaggyJebus wrote...
Right now, if my daughter (let's pretend I actually have a daughter) said, "I'm going to become a prostitute!" I'd be able to say that it was illegal and perhaps even threaten to turn her into the cops. Tough love, you know. But if prostitution was legal, I couldn't do shit. Now, that's not a very strong argument, especially since being a stripper is completely legal, but I'd feel better knowing that my daughter couldn't legally have sex for money. As for how prostitution is different from having sex for free, I'd also feel better knowing that my daughter wasn't a whore who slept around.We can say that sex doesn't need love and that anyone who wants to can have sex whenever they want (as long as everyone consents), but I don't Brave New World to become a reality, where casual sex is not just accepted but endorsed. And while I don't believe that legalized prostitution would set us down that road, I know that it certainly wouldn't help keep us off of it.
What’s so wrong about sex? Why must all of us bend to the “sex is bad” propaganda. I’m not one to go whoring myself around, but I would never look down on anyone who did. Why is it so bad if someone likes to have sex, and why can’t they do it for money? You say you wouldn’t want your daughter to be a prostitute and as long as it’s illegal she won’t be. How exactly is that going to stop her? Would you really turn her into the cops you’d rather her be in Jail then be a prostitute? If she wouldn’t listen to you then she’s going to do it either way its illegal the possibility of jail is always there. Only with it legalized she’ll be safer.
Before you or someone asks I would be fine if my daughter was a prostitute (if it was legalized). It would be her choice to do with what she wanted, If she wants to be a whore that’s fine with me as long as she’s happy I’m cool with it (and as long as she doesn’t have sex with any of my friends).
neko-chan wrote...
I disagree here, I find it unacceptable and therefore it should illegal - not the other way around. There is something wrong with being a prostitute: it is degrading for both people and against our innate feelings of what is right.First I’m sorry I didn’t know what you found unacceptable was the law I’ll change my opinion now.
Second I’d like to know what is wrong with being a prostitute as no one seems to have a good answer aside form “I think being a whore is wrong”.
Third note how is it degrading exactly? I would really like to know I honestly don’t understand when people say that about prostitution.
Fourth I’m sorry once again I didn’t know you decided my feelings for me I’ll go ahead and change those too. (if this was your answer to why Prostitution is wrong) Once again personal opinion” innate feeling of what is right”? Yeah why exactly is sex ok, but sex for money wrong? It’s the same act just with money involved why do we get to dictate what people get to do with their bodies? Shouldn’t people decide who they’re going to have sex with, and if money should be involved? How exactly is that our choice as to how a person is allowed to conduct sexual business?
It’s a personal choice to sell your body. I’ll emphasis the your body not something that the state should mandate. As long as it’s not hurting anyone (state would run programs to maintain safety) then why exactly is it our choice?
ShaggyJebus wrote...
Also, I'm sure a lot of people who buy hookers don't want to publicize the fact. Also I’m sure there would be a good supply of privacy involved if you were willing to pay enough; I don’t think it would be a huge issue.
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GinIchimaru_09 wrote...
neko-chan wrote...
I disagree here, I find it unacceptable and therefore it should illegal - not the other way around. There is something wrong with being a prostitute: it is degrading for both people and against our innate feelings of what is right.First I’m sorry I didn’t know what you found unacceptable was the law I’ll change my opinion now.
I'm glad we came to an understanding.
I'm also glad that whenever I state my opinion it becomes law. That makes me feel AWESOME
Also, do I need a reason to think something is wrong? All laws are based off of humans opinions and morals - not just facts and statistics. Someone could completely disagree that enslaving and taking advantage of others is completely fine - after all they did go through all that hard work of capturing and enslaving them.
Fortunately we have decided as a society and a spieces that slavery is wrong.
So opinions are just opinions, and I don't have to have facts to back up the way I feel - but that doesn't mean they, my opinions or feelings, should be disregarded.
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There are two basic ways to view sex - as something purely physical or as something more than physical. If we view it the first way, then we can do anything involving sex without any feelings of guilt or shame. Casual sex; sex in exchange for goods, money, or services; sex with strangers simply to feel pleasure; etc. The thing is, most people who act in such a way, having sex all the time with anybody they can, often have problems that cause them to act that way. It is not basic human nature to have sex with many strangers. That's why we acknowledge sex addiction as a real problem.
The way I see it, humans are not animals, and we should strive to be more than animals. We should be able to control our base desires. A person should not feel as if he/she needs to pay someone to have sex. That indicates that sex is a powerful thing to that person, that he/she cannot go without it. I don't think sex is bad, but I do believe that it should not be the best part of life, and I certainly believe that people should be able to go without it for months.
To me, a prostitute is like a drug dealer. They both cater to people with addictions. If we legalized prostitution, wouldn't that send the message that it is okay to have sex whenever you want, that you don't need to be able to hold back your urges? Wouldn't that be a step backward? Shouldn't we instead try to strive towards an existence where we don't have to have sex once a week?
The way I see it, humans are not animals, and we should strive to be more than animals. We should be able to control our base desires. A person should not feel as if he/she needs to pay someone to have sex. That indicates that sex is a powerful thing to that person, that he/she cannot go without it. I don't think sex is bad, but I do believe that it should not be the best part of life, and I certainly believe that people should be able to go without it for months.
To me, a prostitute is like a drug dealer. They both cater to people with addictions. If we legalized prostitution, wouldn't that send the message that it is okay to have sex whenever you want, that you don't need to be able to hold back your urges? Wouldn't that be a step backward? Shouldn't we instead try to strive towards an existence where we don't have to have sex once a week?
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nzephier wrote...
Selling sex is a lucrative business, but so is selling tobacco, and look at how that is going. It's legally killing people to become rich: would you really want to be as lazy as that? I personally think prostitution is lazy, and should not be okay. Whats the point of jobs then? Why have them if you can just be a quick-second nookie and get paid good money for it? The next thing you know the economy falls to prostitution and we are under a new government known as nookieocracy: Sell yourself for as high as possible.Teaching your children to sell themselves for as much as they can get? It's not even about sex, but think about how diseases could be spread even easier with the authorization of prostitutuion. I think porn is as close to legal prostitution as it gets, and we see how that is already. Basically prostitution for me is bad because it is laziness.
I'm all for "It's a free country, do whatever you want" but come on. Think of how it could breed generations of lazy people. We have enough as it is, but it would get even worse.
Not everybody will want to become a prostitute. If the industry is regulated you can restrict access to becoming a prostitute. In Nevada it is illegal to prostitute yourself on the street or anywhere other than a brothel. Also with the brothels in Nevada the women are required to get weekly check ups as a requirement. That and the mandatory use of condoms, "inspections" and keeping the "work space" sanitary have reduced to chance of infection to nearly zero. The brothel I mentioned in my earlier post has a record of ZERO infections.
@Shaggy: If regulations are implemented you can regulate the number of brothels within a given area. These brothels can be mandated to only employ X number of people as "prostitutes". You can also mandate that each "hooker" acquire a license to become a hooker. With proper regulations in place your concerns would be accommodated.
neko-chan wrote...
GinIchimaru_09 wrote...
What’s so wrong with being a prostitute as you said “if you say it's legal, aren't you basically saying that it's acceptable?” It’s not acceptable right now because it’s Illegal. There’s nothing wrong with being a prostitute (aside from it being illegal).
I disagree here, I find it unacceptable and therefore it should illegal - not the other way around. There is something wrong with being a prostitute: it is degrading for both people and against our innate feelings of what is right.
Your opinion is worthless when it comes to the legal system. Good laws are written based on facts and reliable information, not someone's opinion.
If you want "morality" to be the base of the legal system. I hear they are doing a wonderful job of that in Iran.
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We also have to take into account of children.
There are human trafficking rings that use children and adults as prostitutes or traded as property. Will this be valid?
Also, in some homes where prostitution is practiced, most of the time children as targeted and used as sexual objects. How will this lessen if the woman who is allowed the job of prostitution (legally)? And she happens to be a mother of a dysfunctional, in home brothel house?
If you don't "give a crap" about the positives, then why argue? Isn't that how all laws are made? So you're saying that I could not give a crap about the new healthcare plan and it's positive effects because I don't like Obama or it'll allow more immigrants to come in? I find that was of debate despicable.
Plus, it's their body. If they want to damage it through having sexual relationships with complete strangers then fine. At least it's not you. Most of them put their own consent into it so they know what they're doing.
There are human trafficking rings that use children and adults as prostitutes or traded as property. Will this be valid?
Also, in some homes where prostitution is practiced, most of the time children as targeted and used as sexual objects. How will this lessen if the woman who is allowed the job of prostitution (legally)? And she happens to be a mother of a dysfunctional, in home brothel house?
neko-chan wrote...
Actually, I don't even give a crap about the positives of legalizing it. I just don't want to live in a society where it is legal - it just seems fundementally wrong. Whoring yourself out is one thing - but to make a living off of it seems despicable to me.If you don't "give a crap" about the positives, then why argue? Isn't that how all laws are made? So you're saying that I could not give a crap about the new healthcare plan and it's positive effects because I don't like Obama or it'll allow more immigrants to come in? I find that was of debate despicable.
Plus, it's their body. If they want to damage it through having sexual relationships with complete strangers then fine. At least it's not you. Most of them put their own consent into it so they know what they're doing.
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kenjiharima wrote...
As I know some countries prostitution is legal.I didn't knew / thought that there are democratic states where it is illegal... I've allways seen it as something natural.
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NotYou wrote...
kenjiharima wrote...
As I know some countries prostitution is legal.I didn't knew / thought that there are democratic states where it is illegal... I've allways seen it as something natural.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
If you want "morality" to be the base of the legal system. I hear they are doing a wonderful job of that in Iran.Awwww snap!
Coco-tan wrote...
We also have to take into account of children.There are human trafficking rings that use children and adults as prostitutes or traded as property. Will this be valid?
Well of course I mean fucking children is already legal in the U.S why would that change? I mean there's a reason they say pedophiles are the shit, and everybody loves them........
Coco-tan wrote...
Also, in some homes where prostitution is practiced, most of the time children as targeted and used as sexual objects. How will this lessen if the woman who is allowed the job of prostitution (legally)? And she happens to be a mother of a dysfunctional, in home brothel house? You wouldn't be able to run a brothel out of a home nor would it be allowed to run around children.
Were talking about a building made for prostitution and workers who have to be certified and could easily lose that certification if they were to say endanger a child.
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The problem with making prostitution legal is the precedent. I am not saying I see the topic as obscene, I am saying that a lot of people would, people with closed minds see the situation as endorsing women selling their bodies. What needs to be done is changing the public image of sex from something that is incredibly exclusive to something that can be shared. Once that happens things like Prostitution wont just be accepted they will be an actual career. I am not saying don't fall in love, but I am saying that until people accept that sex is little more than a fun way to make babies, we will never be able to accept something like prostitution in the mainstream.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
@Shaggy: If regulations are implemented you can regulate the number of brothels within a given area. These brothels can be mandated to only employ X number of people as "prostitutes". You can also mandate that each "hooker" acquire a license to become a hooker. With proper regulations in place your concerns would be accommodated.Yes, but what would be the point of legalizing it then? It wouldn't stop hookers from selling it on the street, and selling it on the street would still be illegal. What would be gained from setting up legal brothels all across the country?
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Spoiler:
Fuck yes, I'm behind you completely when it comes to the legalization of prostitution. The key point here is regulation, and maintaining a sanitary environment, so that this would be a less risky profession. I'm completely fine with letting women who want to be a prostitute in this regulated business selling their body.
To the people who think that prostitution should be illegal because it doesn't reflect well upon you or society, or that somehow, people indulging in their sexual desires with money involved is immoral/wrong, Fuck You!
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European countries have a variety of approaches. In some places such as Germany, it's totally legal and regulated. In most countries being a prostitute is OK but paying her for sex isn't. The idea being that the woman has been forced into that way of life so arresting her will only make her life worse for her; arresting the man will make it less profitable for her to be a prostitute and therefore more likely for her to seek other employment.
In my country, the UK, it's legal as long as it doesn't involve solicitation in a public place, kerb-crawling, "keeping or managing, or acting or assisting in the management", the last point being a pretty ambiguous thing. The brothels are usually off a main road, behind other buildings, or disguised as a spa or massage parlour.
In my country, the UK, it's legal as long as it doesn't involve solicitation in a public place, kerb-crawling, "keeping or managing, or acting or assisting in the management", the last point being a pretty ambiguous thing. The brothels are usually off a main road, behind other buildings, or disguised as a spa or massage parlour.