Should Prostitution be legal?

Child prostitution would be reduced by law enforcement being able to spend their energy on more things than trying to combat adult prostitution. Also free market economics will play a part in reduction of child prostitution and human trafficking in the United states. Why would you pay for a street walker who may be a drug addict or have a disease if you could have a safe and clean experience at a brothel?

The only people who would buy the service of a child prostitute are pedophiles. These are the kinds of pedophiles that will travel to countries like Thailand and Cambodia in order to have sex with a child anyways. While we can't remove demand we can however use more police force to enforce the law. How it will work in reducing child prostitution is; as prostitution is legalized and street walkers are prohibited along with free market economics functioning the way they do. Prostitutes will move into legal brothels or be forced out of the industry anyways. With the drop in street walkers, V.I.C.E. squads will be able to focus their energy more as they have fewer to police. Also arresting them (the pedophiles) for soliciting an unlicensed prostitute and also arrest them for having sex (or attempting to have sex) with a minor. Human trafficking will die down because the channels they use to exchange people for money will slowly close off with dropping demand. People simply won't buy a street walker when you compare the risks of one compared to a legal brothel.



Legal brothels employ security forces who monitor the women. Some brothels watch through hidden cameras while others have guards stations near the rooms. The women will be protected not only by security forces but will also be able to request the aid of police in capturing their rapist unlike the current situation where rapes go unreported because the prostitutes don't want to be arrested.

As for the link. Europe and American operate on different methods and standards. I'm not familiar with the sex industry laws of the Netherlands, Germany or Australia. Even Sweden with it's "punish the male" stance is almost laughable as they think this will reduce demand. In Afghanistan, abu dabi, Iran* prostitution is punishable by death and yet, the demand hasn't gone down.

Look at Asian countries where prostitution is legal in one form or another. Is Japan the squalor hellhole that people think American will become if we legalize prostitution? Europe's problems with human trafficking stems from some flaw in their laws or society. I am not an advocate of anything other than legalizing two willing people engaging in sex in exchange for money. Two consenting adults should be allowed to do what they want with each other. Organized crime,pimps and human traffickers should be pushed out of the industry with the full power of the State and Federal governments coming down like the hammer of Thor.

*Iran allows prostitution in the form of Nikah mut'ah a.k.a Sigheh (temperary marriage arrangement for sex only)

Lets run down the list and compare legalizing it to status quo

Unregulated
#Prostitutes walk the streets freely
#Prostitutes have no incentive to get examinations or treat infections of STDs
#Pimps actively force women in dire situations into prostitution
#Pimps subject their "girls" to substance abuse and dependence. Thus enforcing their hold on the women.
#Prostitutes have no legal protection from police. Leaving them at the mercy of their pimps or whoever picks them up.
#Rapes go unreported as prostitutes will be arrested for prostitution while leaving the rapist free
#It is currently unsafe to solicit a prostitute as she may rob you or attack you.
#Little to no prevention for child prostitution from occurring.
#Human trafficking operates successfully due to the black market nature of the current industry.
#City, State and Federal Governments receive no tax revenue from the industry.
Legalized
#Prostitutes will be confined to brothels removing them from public sight.
#Brothels & Prostitutes will be required to get a license in order to operate.
#Prostitutes will be subject to regulations such as maintaining a clean working environment, regular medical exams.
#Prostitutes will be granted the same workers rights as any other person with the same amount of hours worked.
#Prostitutes will have protection from security employed at the brothel and also have legal protection from the police in case of assault or rape.
#The prostitutes can and will most likely be subject to screenings for drugs and other illegal substances.
#Child prostitution will drop as police can focus their energy on the illegal prostitution and the people who solicit child prostitutes.
#Human trafficking will slow and or cease due to regulations that already exist for companies such as having citizen ship or legal privileges to work in the United States.

Fiery Penguin, you seem to talk a lot, rarely meet such people

But, yes I would have guessed it wont be that simple, getting such a license and lying to cops here is a big deal as well.

I do agree with what you have said, especially about the zoning which wasnt mentioned before. Still though, a 6 month test is not very accurate since a person couldve caught it the day before. But I will agree that something now as a first step is better than nothing.

Something to note though is legalizing it will not work for every country, it is the corruption level. In the US I think this is possible, but in areas where the regulators are just as fiendish and are actually in it with the pimps and human traffickers - it wont make much of a difference.

As for the resistance to such changes, legalizing it is accepting/welcoming it as a part of society. I believe you are aware of how majority of the masses think.

It will not go away, just like cigarettes and liquor. Now the government is making tons of money taxing them. They legalized porn atleast, so thats a first step? In the end, it depends on how much money is at stake. If theres too much of it, someone somewhere will make things happen even if the people disagree

I think Child prostitution does not even require anything new regarding prostitution laws/policies. Having sex with a minor is already a crime on its own and is given special priority as it is. True as well, taking the load off the police will allow them to focus their resources to deal with other cases, it benefits the entire department/everyone.

One thing to note though, it does not completely remove the pimps and their women. It just gives these women an option to earn money by providing such service without a dependance on pimps for protection. If the relationship between the pimp and the hooker is about the drugs - that is soemthing else, you still cant get those on a legal brothel - they will still exist. Overall, again it does not wipe the streets off, but it reduces it and filters out the problems

The reason I talk a lot is because I speak very little off line. Unless it's politics or similar "intelligent" matters. That, and I have a lot to say on certain matters. While others I may only state the minimal amount of words required to make a post.



Not just a test every six months. You the client would have to provide a test from 6 months ago, 5 months ago, 4 months ago, 3 months ago, 2 months ago, 1 month ago and a more recent test to prove you are clean. This is the ultra conservative approach to prevent the spread of viral STDs since most if not all bacterial std's can be cleared up by an antibiotic.



I often feel like a lone man in a paddle boat on the ocean. each being a metaphor for myself, my beliefs and my opposition.




All we do is free up more man power to enforce those laws which is aided by legalizing it. Less manpower and money spent of arresting, trying, jailing women who don't want to be hookers anyways which frees up money and men for police the actual problems.



This is where the free market economics comes into play. People who buy the services of hookers will make a transition from disease and drug ridden street walkers to cleaner and safer brothels. Yes, some pimps may move to brothels but, by owning those brothels the working girls can quit if they want. The same way I can quit a job just by telling my boss "I quit". The pimp couldn't harass his former employee because she can get legal protection. Even if we trade pimps for brothel owners we remove a lot of the negative effects pimps had such as forcing women into substance abuse so the girl will depend on the pimp for protections and drugs.

One thing I disagree with current Nevada brothels is the business model of some turn women into chunks of meat for a guy to look over as if he's buying a new car. I think the women should be allowed to work in the brothel, approach their prospective client, maybe even set up arrangements where they guy only see's her when he wants to. Similar to when you set up a hair cut. You can ask for a specific person and become their client. Give the women the power to choose who they sleep with and when they sleep with them. Just allow the brothel owner to charge rent for the girls or a cover charge for the men.

As long as the women have the control and the brothel owner just runs the staff (cleaners,etc) and owns the building.

It must be illegal!

I have only one question. If prostitution became Legal.. what lesson will be gain if became Legal and those who works Illegal nor Legal do they have little pride o them selves?

That is for the person to decide. What a bad gov to even define what its citizen must think of as pride.

Penguin,

Doesnt sound like a compliment but that was the thought.

As for the STD exams, majority of us agree that its important, so its just the plausible way at the moment and the ideal way to work towards on how to implement this. I guess ideally, the most recent one is the best, if one can be 'taken' right then and there before engaging in the act, I think that is it. But the plausible one at present would be like what you said.

It would be simpler as well if theres a government system that tracks these exams, that the institutions can access with the consent of the client only - so the process is smoother/faster/paperless and less prone to tampering. I think the tests should be conducted by government approved medical facilities only as well.

As for the pimps and economics part: If the brothels can offer it at a competitive quality/price amidst the taxes, licenses, overhead, medical costs, insurance etc - which the pimps dont pay, yeah it really will lead to that. I think people will go with it to avoid the risk of infection and a better experience even if it is substancially more expensive.

It just made me think of criminals and illegal aliens who cant be on the system/avoid it - they are still potential clients on the streets but still, taking the less stressed police force into consideration here it might not be a big factor at all, on the contrary it can be viewed as something that the government can spend tax dollars on cleaning thanks to the freed up resources and the new income from the prostitution taxes.

This is good for the economy in a lot of ways.

As for the establishment procedures: I will agree that it does seem that way, that they are like chunks of meat being sold or like regular products and not as service providers, on such a setting. Ive never seen how it is in Nevada, but that is just the most simplest and common way its done. From what I know its usually - the women are paid per client, the women dont pay anything, but they get nothing if no one gets them.

I will agree on the part where in the women should be given an option to accept the client or not.

Others,
Ive known such people - they 'usually' do it to get the extra money to pay for school or send other family members to school or a ton of other reasons and just to freakin get by. Its what they can do at the moment or its what pays enough, and for them to be doing something atleast, I think deserves some sense of pride. It is society and its certain kind of members that eat away their pride, not the act of providing the service.

Nevada brothels have various business models. Some allow the women to choose who they sleep with or if they even sleep with anybody on a given day. This is what I would call the "independent contractor" model. Women share their profits with the brothel. The number can be anywhere between 30 and 50% of the money earned goes towards the brothel. While the women split money between the brothel and themselves they are still expected to "tip" the cleaning staff.

Another model is the women are paid hourly workers and are expected to let the client choose whom to sleep with. All money goes to the brothel and the women are paid a hourly wage and work "shifts". This is the model I hate with a passion. This is also the most common model of legal brothels in Nevada which is also a fact I hate.

I also don't like how some or most brothels in Nevada make their girls work for weeks before allowing them some time off. While it would be impractical I think the women should be allowed to settle amongst themselves which hours each will work (or do a lottery system for hours). There are a lot of problems to be hammered out but, it sure is a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

Also thank you for the compliment.

My approaches usually lean towards favoring the company, pushing for efficiency and maximizing profits while giving as little or only what is necessary to the employees to enable them to deliver the required output. The model that you hate is actually what I would suggest if I would be asked by management. Its really the model where in the house gets the most amount of money, also the price of the service is solely under the house's control. The standardization also affects worker morale and state of mind, under the circumstances I would agree it is a good system of controlling them. It also adds to the clients experience.

I hate saying such things... I do not agree with this but I cant answer otherwise, I feel compelled to give a technical opinion even if I personally disagree. In feelings, I would go for what is the most humane and beneficial for the workers.

Maybe off-topic but just remembered something a professor once told me, "We are not engaging in business to do charity work, we are here to make money. If thats what you want, dont set up a business, set up a charity organization".

Your independent contractor model, it seems similar to what I had in mind before, Im just not sure if you intend to allow the women control of the service charge or if its fixed. Using percentage here as you propose is possibly beneficial to the workers too, an increase in the charge rate gives them a relative increase in their pay without question. Yes, the hours part is impractical, but I agree with the intention.

Im not exactly sure what you meant by 'working for weeks'. If you meant 7 days a week, im surprised the owners are allowed to do that. I think in this issue, prostitution shoudlnt be a factor, since this is a general workers well-being matter. But I will assume its legal, since it is... implemented.

As was said again and again, stress results in losses and I agree with it most especially if the business is service oriented since it directly affects customer satisfaction and the possibility of a repeat of business.

Yes, there are a lot of better alternatives to what is being implemented, just not enough people willing to

not seven days a week. The girls live at the brothel for several weeks working their days. Once they have worked/ lived a few weeks on site at the brothel they get to go home or do whatever they wish. During the period of those weeks they are not allowed to leave the brothel.

The way I see it prostitution will always be present. We might as well try to make things safer for the girls (and guys)who are gonna do it anyways. Reminds me of how hospitals offer teens free condoms. We know there will always be teens having sex so we might as well offer them protection. Sure not all teens will take advantage of it but as long as it make a difference in one person I say it would be worth it.

No, what about woman's right? kind of pity to them... the way i see the illegal things horrible what if became Legal?

by making it legal we're respecting their rights actually. they can choose whether they want to do it or not. so, I don't see any violations of rights here...

....... nothing to comment but HELL NO to LEGAL!!

lol, you could've just said that you hate to see prostitution being legal. ^^

Nah... i just only imagine if the Illegal became Legal that's all I don't want see women get violated by the beasts....

What's wrong with beasts violating women who chose to be violated? Sex between consenting adults is perfectly ok to me...

............Ok no comment for now..... "I'm Thinking for my next post"

Make sure to contemplate very hard and thoroughly on the subject. I'll expect you to come up with a serious and fact driven argument as why two consenting adults should not have sex in exchange for money. We're allowed to have sex with anyone we please but, if we exchange money for something we can give away free then it's illegal. Makes no bloody sense to throw someone in jail for selling what they can legally give away for free.

If you really supported the rights of women then you would support legalization with strict regulations to protect the women. Take a look at unregulated industries. Two examples I can come up with, drugs and prohibition era alcohol. Despite both being illegal at one point or another the demand never went away. Making something illegal doesn't make people stop wanting it. If people want something they will find a way to acquire it. This demand created a "black market" and through these black markets people and illegal organizations made large profits. Not only that, the fact these industries became illegal actually gave fruition to these gangs. What also came along with those organizations is crime and violence. Everything from common street gangs to Al Capone style gangsters gained power through exploiting the demands of these illegal industries.

Penguin on your reply to me,
That does seem harsh; I hope something will be done about it someday. I do admire your interest in changing things for the better, hope you're ideas would be heard by more people ~ especially those who can make things happen.

Yes.. also a law against it would not be enforceable since payment could be anything: car, food, gift certificate, beer, ect.. and of cause money... so where do you draw the line?