[Locked] vegetarians are the real murderers?

Elephants can't eat whatever they want since their teeth aren't designed to tear meat. They are only equiped with Molars. The only incisors they have are their tusks which are useless in the chewing process.



How is my argument about being the superiors species invalid? Its because we are the dominant species, our history shows we have eaten meat for at least the last million years. Not to mention the fact we are equipped to eat meat. Though not designed to eat only meat such as predatory animals like wolves, foxes, lions and similar animals. I don't see how that is invalid. What I see as a invalid argument is because we are the dominant species then we should not eat meat because...we'll hurt their feelings. That is a pathetic argument when trying to win a logical argument. Under that logic we shouldn't drink milk (of any animal) we shouldn't eat eggs or any products that is made from or by an animal since its inhumane. Say goodbye to milk because its inhumane to leave those cows, buffalo, or yak in huge enclosed expanses of open land. We shouldn't eat eggs because "your murdering" those unborn eggs.

So if you vegetarian and you are one because of the sole season of "ethics" about the treatment of animals. Then you are a hypocrite for not being vegan.



I would kill Leroy (my pet cat) if it comes down to it. Though It would only feed me for a couple hours considering he is only a 10 pound cat. I would be sad because he isn't just a pet. He is more like a member of the family. Any animal or plant should be open for eating unless it endangered. Since the bigger picture is to save a species, not the individual animal.

Companies are trying to solve this "ethics" problem by "growing" meat but, everyone is so against the idea. So people don't want us to eat meat and a majority of them are forcing their beliefs with some condescending attitude about how than the rest of us. What's next? Trying to teach a lion to eat tofu?

I skipped everyone's posts because I don't really care what anyone has to say.

I don't care about the animals I eat. People who say "you're murdering them!" explain this to me: How? How the fuck am I murdering something that is already dead? Eating != Murder. It's like the KFC thing from a few months ago and people bitching about their living conditions.

1. They are chickens.
2. They are bred to be eaten. They live for only a year or two anyway.
3. They are chickens.

I'm at the top of the food chain and I'm going to go down the food chain. You give me the meat of any animal (not counting insects or their ilk) that lives on land and I will try it at least once. Even human. Meat is meat. Once the creature is dead it doesn't matter anymore.

Vegetarians can do whatever they want. I won't force them to eat meat as long as they don't force me to eat vegetables/fruit. If I want to have high cholesterol or whatever else people say meat does then that is my prerogative and nobody can tell me otherwise.

The end.

I'm guessing you are a believer in evolution (Have nothing against your belief) by your statements. I'll explain it in a evolutionists standpoint. Elephants are considered to be big animals today, and from what I see, size has gotten smaller through the years of evolotion. If we take that into account, the predecessors of elephants would have been much bigger. That means that they too could have been carnivoirs and the animals we see today could have evolved into a carnivoir. Not all animals have been carnivoirs at the beginning of time according to evolution. They evolved into one and seeing the considerable size of it's predecessors, which were giant hippo like animals in the ocean, it too could have been "on top" of the food chain, but it isn't.


It seems I misworded that sentence. I thought you would be able to guess from my previous posts that I thought the human species were indeed superior... but what I meant to say was that just because we are superior does not mean we have to eat meat and your argument of pointing out our superiority as a right to eat lesser animals was invalid since there are many other "superior" animals that could have done so.

@Purifier:
Then you have wasted your time in posting that if you consider everyone else to have the same type of thinking as you since no one would bother to read your post...

PersonDude: I just don't care about what any of you have to say. It doesn't matter to me, but I felt like posting. What you said makes no sense, which is why I don't read any of these pseudo-intellectual threads.

Nah, I really just posted that to prove you did read some and that you do care since you replied. >.>

I have many things to say on this, but I'll go ahead with this one:

The animal has already been killed. I didn't kill it. But now it's here. Am I supposed to not eat it so they can throw it away or feed it to a dog?

Ooh, you don't eat meat. Unless you're eating somewhere where they behead the chicken right at the counter,(because they did that in Bolivia) being a vegetarian won't change a damn thing.

I had to reread this a couple times because it made absolutely zero sense. I didn't say all animals were carnivors. Also size has nothing to do with carnivore or herbivore. There have been large herbivores and small carnivores. So size has nothing to do with this argument. I said the human species and their ancestors (early humans) ate meat. Monkeys ate fruit, and plant matter to survive. When the climate changed and the large forests gave way to large expanses of open land. We could no longer survive on plant matter alone. In the next step we ate bone marrow (which gave us the protein to develop larger brains) roots, and various other things. The next step was early humans which ate meat as well as various plants but, mostly meat. Since Neanderthal and Homo erectus our diet has required a lot of protein. To fulfill that requirement we ate meat. We are an omnivore and our bodies are designed to eat both vegetables and meats. Ever notices that those who eat proper amounts of both are healthier than those who eat only meat or only vegetables?



This made little sense to me. Lets see if I understand you correctly. You are stating

"Because we are the superior species we do not need to eat animals."

I was stating that we CAN CHOOSE what we eat because of our status as the dominant animal on this planet. Our teeth give us the ability. We have incisors AND molars which give me the ability to choose and because of that we can EAT WHAT WE WANT. If our teeth were only molars then we wouldn't be able to eat what we want because the teeth aren't designed to tear flesh so we would only eat plants. Molars are meant to grind hard material (nuts, roots) and plant matter. If our mouths contained only incisors like that of a wolf, Tyrannosaurus Rex, Velociraptor, foxes,etc. Then were would only be able to eat meat since those teeth are designed for tearing flesh instead of chewing plants.

So, where does it say I can't eat what I want? I have the teeth for it. Other than "Your hurting the animals" there is no reason why I shouldn't eat meat other than personal choice like Hibia. I personally choose to not eat fish (not because I'm sorry for the poor fishies) but, because I dislike the smell. Since I can't tell the difference between good/bad fish,lobster, muscles, crabs.

I reread mine to see where I might have gone wrong, but I didn't spot anything that was too unclear... Maybe because I wrote it. XD


I said they weren't always carnivors in the beginning and afterward mentioned that they evolved into one. Size did matter back then and size was superiority back then and bigger size meant it was easier to evolve into a carnivor. That is what I was getting at and even with the advantage in size, which made the predecessor of the elephant superior, they did not choose to be carnivors and they seem to be getting along just fine.

Let me see if I can reword my statement so you can understand:
Even if we had the advantage over other animals doesn't mean we HAVE to eat other animals is what I was getting at and the elephant statement was just an example. I know it has benefits and we were equipped to eat meat, but there are many examples in evolution where animals lost an appendige because they didn't use it. Just because we can doesn't mean we have to, and your argument made it sound as if we were the only ones who were superior and there are no examples of other superior animals that don't exercise herbivor behavior.


That is because the person who eats meat is eating a balanced diet. This can be achieved even without eating meat. All you have to do is eat the same nutrition and you'll be just as healthy.

You are correct that I am not "required" to eat meat but, it is a better source of protein and certain acids that our body requires but, an ample amount of certain vegetables can fill that void. Then that leads to that "sickly" look that some vegetarians get. Most people get that look because they can't obtain the proper amount of nutrients though that system since our bodies are designed to eat meat in conjunction with vegetables.

To rebuttal your argument. Just because of my superiority doesn't mean I have to resort to eating only vegetables either. I am saying that we can eat whatever we choose because our bodies can do it. I am also saying that the usual argument to become vegetarian is a poor example of a good argument. "You'll hurt their feelings" is not a way to win over intelligent people in an argument. If vegetarians want people to made a choice to be vegetarian then they need to educate people on the benefits of vegetarianism which are lower BMI and a reduced risk of other health effects.

That and kill all those whiny little fucks who try to force their personal choice on the rest of us. As an act of good faith we will also kill off all those idiots who use the argument "What, you don't eat me? You one of them homos? I believe that is a good deal. :D

In reality, there is no reason to be vegetarian other than personal choice. You can be healthy eating meat and you can be healthy being vegetarian. Its a personal choice and there is not a right or wrong answer when it comes to a personal choice.

Yes, one of the biggest problems of being a vegetarian is the lack of protein. I just make sure I eat hell of a lot of tofu...


Well, I wasn't saying your argument was completely wrong and I wasn't saying we should all be vegetarians either. I was just saying that there are examples of superior animals that are herbivors. My initial argument came from your earlier post:


which made it sound as if we as a dominant species had to so I was just showing an alternate example of a species that could have been a carnivor that has gone herbivor.


This brings up a good point of how vegetarians try to force their antics on them and I find it wrong but when you point a finger 3 of them point back at you. All of my friends are omnivors and always trying to push meat on me. They even say that my parents have ruined my life because they made be become a vegetarian... As you said it is a personal choice. I decided to stay a vegetarian because I'm paranoid of the disease that is going around. Sure the chances of me getting that specific meat is low, but it just helps with my psychological security. :P

Depends on the country. USDA beef and other meats go through a huge inspection. Our meat is pretty safe though, we had one instance of mad cow maybe, possibly enter our meat supply and that caused japan and south Korea to ban our beef.

The stats on wikipedia state that the U.K. has had nearly 200,000 cases of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (a.k.a "mad cow") while the U.S. has had 3. Hell, Liechtenstein has had almost as many cases as us LIECHTENSTEIN! In proportion to the different sizes of the respective countries and the amount of beef made by eat one. We are doing a damn fine job.

It's consumerism. If people stop buying, companies will stop producing. Yes, you cannot bring back that one animal, but if you stop production, you prevent many others from meeting the same fate.

Also in regards to the statement about plants being 'alive,' sure they're 'alive,' but they are not self-conscious, and to our knowledge, are not capable of emotion. Animals, however, can be seen to show emotion, and I think we could argue for a low level of self-awareness. Anyway, here are 3 arguments I have for vegetarianism.

1.The production of meat also makes use of a good deal of the world's resources. Livestock consume large quantities of food (usually grain to fatten them up quickly), and a good deal of land goes towards 'housing' the cattle and growing their feed. A good deal of that land is land in developing countries (to reduce costs), and this can be rather harmful to that country's economy/development, and can be seen as exploitive, but I digress... The land that's used to grow cattle feed can be better used to grow crops, which would yield more food per square acre used.

2. Livestock have a very poor quality of life. They're given large amounts of antibiotics and growth hormone and live stuffed together in stalls, cages, etc. to eat then die. They're killed methodically, and though they're supposed to be killed humanely (knocked unconscious, then killed), more often than not, they aren't. Their quality of life is rock bottom.

3. The USDA isn't thorough in their inspection of meat. There's currently a shortage in USDA inspectors, and a slaughterhouse's production line moves quickly and methodically. Former inspectors have alleged they've had to inspecting hundred of cattle at once from a catwalk. Even if they tried, the inspectors simply cannot keep up with all the meat that is being processed. They can only remove cattle that clearly show the telltale signs of sickness, and some borderline cows would most certainly make it through.

Zomg, you guys could've stopped the huns with your WALLS of text XD

To be honest, i skipped most of it after the second page. For me, the bottom line is that I like meat. That's pretty much it. I'm not eating humans, I'm not eating any animals I respect (dogs, sharks, reptiles), it's pretty much just chicken, red meat and pork. I'm fine with this, they arn't that intelligent and don't provide anything to the well being of the planet from a human perspective, save their tasty, tasty meats.

I don't bash vegetarians, I'm polite to them when they try to talk to me about not killing animals, simply reply with a "No thank you." and move on. My problems stems from their aggressive protests and ignorant tactics. I am assuming we are talking about America (at least that's the only field I have expertise in), and here we can think whatever we want about almost anything, this included, so when I say "No Thank you.", please leave me the hell alone. I don't respond to sob stories or threats of the planet dieing.

You do what you do and I'll do what I do. Go preach over in that corner and leave me alone.

I'm not reading all that crap right now.

Anyways, the only thing that bothers me is when a vegetarian calls me a murderer for eating animals. Seriously, I wasn't the one that killed that animal so it's not my fault he died.

Also, last time I check, it's NOT illegal to kill animals for the consumption of food.

thank you nightclock.

this is wot i was saying earlier/a few pages ago.
i like the argument that people make but i hate the retarded propaganda that people on both sides of the equation make and you know we talk shit about meat as much as veggies talk shit about their food.

i am in no way objecting either sides beliefs im just objecting to the force feeding of them on other people.

you eat wot you eat i will eat wot i eat which is mostly rubbish anyway thank you.

Thats exactly what we were going for. Thank you nightclock for educating everyone else about our intentions. We won't need to fear the huns invading Fakku.

On a side note. We were also trying to build a wall that could be seen from space. Then I realized this is all data stored on a computer in some place jacob rents thus ruining my plan. Though if we are ever sucked into the internet. We'll be able to see that wall.

I've tried meat before. The problem is, trying to overcome the mental barrier my mind has set. When I had it in my mouth, I realized I was chewing on bits of muscles that are in my very own body too, and it was repulsing and it was something imbedded in my mind as a no no. I was surprised that I didn't puke, but I was close enough. I'm sure if I tried to become an omnivore I can, but that would take effort, and it seems nice to be safe also.


Seems this topic is running dry... Want to start another to make your goal a reality?

New topic: Is Santa truely fake...?

He was real...until he forgot a gift for Chuck Norris.

Shit that's the best explaination I've heard and it seems it's the end for this topic... New topic: Is Hibia really a man or is he a deep voiced woman?

Deep voiced woman. He admits it when he was the narrator for the show "Freakazoid". He was also "Freakazoid" and here is a clip of him in action.