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Awesome your stepping up your game. This is getting fun (No I'm not being sarcastic, I'm actually having fun).



The tests at the nevada brothels are weekly not monthly. If their girls don't get a test they are required to stop prostitution until they get a test. If they test positive then the company is mandated to contact all the people who have had sex with that prostitute since her last exam. Not to mention that the girls are required to examine the client, and use condoms along with other measures.



My position is that this isn't a moral issue. If you don't agree with prostitution then don't become one, or visit one. I stay within the law because I don't want to get punished. I don't speed in traffic because I'll get a ticket, which raises my car insurance. Also my economy car would crumple like an empty beer car in an accident. You appear to be confusing me and others with being Nihilist.

The company would be held liable for a extremely large penalty. The women have no privacy when it comes to STD screens. If they test positive the company is notified immediately and she will be moved somewhere else such as office work or terminated entirely unless the STD can be cured to which afterward she may be allowed to work again.



This is why condoms are used.

According to a 2004 bulletin from the World Health Organization and a 2001 report by the National Institutes of Health, individual studies found condom use reduced the risk of infection for:

# Genital herpes, by 30 percent to 92 percent in women; less in men (no number given).

# Gonorrhea, by 49 percent to 75 percent in men, and by 39 percent to 62 percent in women.

# Chlamydia, by 26 percent to 90 percent in women and by 33 percent in men.

# Pelvic inflammatory disease, by 55 percent. PID is a leading cause of infertility and is caused by gonorrhea and chlamydia infection.

# Trichomoniasis, by 30 percent in women, with significant reduction in men (no number given).

# Syphilis, by 40 percent to 60 percent in both sexes.

# Genital ulcers (chancroid), by 18 percent to 23 percent.

Though should be about enough to persuade anybody on how effective condoms are alone and not in combination with other safety measures.

The brothels of Nevada are even safer than porn sites

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Even if the system isn't perfect, legalizing it is better than the status quo. People will still pay to have sex. That is a fact that will never go away. Prostitutes will always be around, no matter how strict the laws or severe the punishment. At least legalizing it will reduce the risk of disease if not eliminate it. Free women from physical and psychological abuse at the hands of pimps and abusing clients. Remove the drug addicts and other undesirables from the industry. Then on top of all of that, you can collect tax money from the industry which would help everybody from school funding, welfare programs.

Out of curiosity, where did you get the statistics that you posted? You didn't put up any citation so I couldn't read it for myself.

The only group of people who use "morals" as a compass of who to elect are the religious groups like Catholics and the Evangelists. Politicians don't run on a platform of morals. Why? Because who actually cares about the morals of a politician instead of the policies? Ted Kennedy is an example, he was an alcoholic, an alleged murderer,etc and yet he kept getting elected. Why? Because the people of Massachusetts liked his policies. Not because they found him to be an upstanding citizen.

Morals create bias and good laws are without bias. Jim crow laws were created because they were "moral" at the time. It was "immoral" for a black man to use the same facilities as a white man, look twice as a white woman, etc, etc. The Federal Government should be impartial to the "morality" of a subject and leave that up to the individual person/community to decide if they want to partake in it.

As I said in a previous post this morality of keeping it illegal is the reason why the situation is as bad as it is. This "morality" is really a hypocrisy.

Mentality like that is what lead to prohibition, the fail war on drugs and all the deaths and violence that resulted from it.

Also, I'm glad you can sleep at night knowing that you support the status quo which results in women being abused, being addicted to hard drugs and possibly killed. Your such a great guy.

Yet again another illogical rambling from the decency police.`



Somehow a "subjective" rule is suppose to be the guideline here? No two people have the same morality. Whose right? You or Me? At least with legalizing it and regulating it you can stop women from being smacked around by their clients and pimps. Not to mention get them screened to prevent disease and even catch cervix cancer early. Not to mention the plethora of health problems any random women in society has. Currently, there is no regulation set up which is why prostitution is such a dirty and violent trade. The women can't go to the police for help and have absolutely no protection while on the street. This is how prostitutes end up dead because there isn't any safety precautions!



To answer you question; Yes, I would do anything for money that didn't require force, fraud or deception. Why? Because I have a girlfriend going to college who I want to support,there are also charities who look forward each year to my donations such as the "Aflac Cancer Center and Blood Disorders Service of Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta". Not to mention the "No-kill" animal shelters I also donate too. If I lost my job and couldn't get work any other way I would turn to prostitution if I had too. A job is a job.



The "brothels" that employ these women will be legally mandated by the state they work in to get their women tested. The point of legalizing it is so you can REGULATE it. You know, like...make rules for people to follow. Set standards and practices, etc,etc. As for the "porn stars have a higher rate of diseases", bring proof.



Okay, we'll keep the status quo, where the prostitutes will continue to walk the street, be subject to psychological and physical violence from "clients", rival prostitutes, pimps all because it's illegal, they can't go to the police for help and there is no regulation which has created a black market that will never go away. How many more women need to be abused and murdered "in the trade" before you'll realize that it's actually more "immoral" to keep it illegal that legalize it?

That sound you just heard was the nail being driven into the coffin your argument resides in.

Legalizing it means you can regulate it. Which includes enacting laws that prevent people from soliciting in the streets. Demand for street walkers will dry up as the risk of disease will be too great. Again, why would you pay for sex from a street walker who probably has a disease vs paying roughly the same amount for sex with someone who DOESN'T have a disease?



Morals are a component of the law making decision not the foundation (i.e. the core). As there is no cohesiveness amongst everyone's personal morality. My "morals" differ from RBZ's whose differ from WhiteLion whose in turn differs from ShaggyJeebus.

It is not the governments place, duty or creed to dictate morality to the people. The government's job is to provide courts in enact laws to protect us from criminal acts (Force,Fraud,etc) and protect us from unsafe conditions (OSHA), to provide cops to enforce those laws (and jails/prisons to incarcerate violators) and the military to protect the sovereignty of the country.

Ethics and morality should be practiced but, not mandated to us by government officials.

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Just some food for thought.

Not everybody will want to become a prostitute. If the industry is regulated you can restrict access to becoming a prostitute. In Nevada it is illegal to prostitute yourself on the street or anywhere other than a brothel. Also with the brothels in Nevada the women are required to get weekly check ups as a requirement. That and the mandatory use of condoms, "inspections" and keeping the "work space" sanitary have reduced to chance of infection to nearly zero. The brothel I mentioned in my earlier post has a record of ZERO infections.

@Shaggy: If regulations are implemented you can regulate the number of brothels within a given area. These brothels can be mandated to only employ X number of people as "prostitutes". You can also mandate that each "hooker" acquire a license to become a hooker. With proper regulations in place your concerns would be accommodated.



Your opinion is worthless when it comes to the legal system. Good laws are written based on facts and reliable information, not someone's opinion.

If you want "morality" to be the base of the legal system. I hear they are doing a wonderful job of that in Iran.

Quoted for exact sentiments.

We'll keep a light on for you.

Prostitution is legal in areas of Nevada. There are no pimps in legal prostitution such as the "Wild Horse Adult Resort & Spa". Legalizing completely removes the need for a pimp as they would be forced out of business. Who would want to pay for sex from a disease ridden street walker vs paying roughly the same amount and knowing you won't go home with Chlamydia or Syphilis?

Also with legalizing it you can regulate the industry and manage safety. This would reduce or even negate the risk of disease. This would reduce the demand for "street walkers" as you would know the likelihood of contracting a disease or even robbed from a street walker instead of a safe and sanitary experience at a legal brothel.

The notion that all prostitutes are poor, immigrants, addicts, otherwise mentally disturbed only applies to the street walkers. These women are usually taken advantage of by a pimp. Who usually takes a fatherly or lover role to the prostitute before subjecting them to psychological or physical abuse. Pimps exist because prostitution is illegal. Legalizing it would remove the negative traits associated with the current trade. While this won't remove a poor woman from the trade at least she'll have a safe and regulated job that would look out for her well being. At least, she would have the choice to be a prostitute rather than forced by a pimp, same goes for immigrants. Addicts will also be removed as the businesses would have a zero tolerance policy which would filter out undesirables.

The brothels in Nevada are an excellent example of why prostitution should be legal. The women are safe, clean, and well compensated and generally taken care of.

It was another way to say that we can't be specific and yet we need to be in order to come to a singular conclusion on the definition of a troll. While it's not impossible to do so, it does make it easier.

Edit: I'll agree that it would most likely cause a lot of drama to be specific. I think you'll find it reasonable that if people MUST get specific. They can quote the "troll post" and erase the users name. Then say "This is an example of my definition".

You don't disagree with the general ideas, you just disagree on the exact methods.

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Georgia
It’s illegal to run a lottery in Georgia
http://www.galottery.com/stc/home/index.jsp

It’s illegal to swear in front of a corpse

All sex toys are banned
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Sex+shops,+Ga&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=31.509065,56.513672&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=7
Conyers,Ga

It’s illegal to sell cornflakes on sunday

Columbus,Ga

Indians must return to their side of the Chattohoochee river by nightfall

It’s illegal to wear a cap at a basketball game

Tatoos are illegal on sundays and sabbath days

Jonesboro

It’s illegal to eat chicken with a fork

We have some fucking stupid laws.

Ah my apologies to Waar and Matt for my previous statement then.

No offense waar (or Matt) but, I get this feeling that Mattarat only posted that since the two of you are friends. I understand that you specifically asked that nothing personal be drudged up but, that effectively ties a persons hands on this discussion.

Correction, Government. The community has little to no say in how the government owned companies operate.



Define prosperity. Does your definition include a robust middle class while having a smaller number of rich and poor or does it just include a two class society of the working class and the upper class? Another disagreement I have is that society is made up of individuals not a great collective (not to be confused with a large group). We are not a hive mind, each person thinks and acts on their own according to their own judgment. I donate money and time to charities because I want to not because I'm forced to by some third party who can use force to set morality.



"Free" Health care is far from actually being free. Everybody is paying for health care though taxes and hidden costs. All that has been done is forcing people to pay for the health care of others. This illusion of "free" causes people to abuse the system since they don't have to worry about the direct cost to them. I've spoken with many Canadians from Ontario, Nova Scotia, British Columbia and they have told me by a wide margin that people abuse the system since they don't see a direct cost to them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for people coming together and working towards a common good but, it shouldn't be forced. Honestly, would you want somebody to help you out from the goodness of their heart or because they are mandated by the government?

Only if it was intended to piss somebody off.

1). Anyone who seeks attention by negatively criticizing another user beyond a rational amount. i.e. "typical internet asshole"

2). Anyone who does anything "for the lulz" as their only reason.

Edit: Anybody who uses the technique of "flamebaiting".

I'd have to disagree about Russia, Stalin came about because the state held too much power and men with power seek to abuse that power. The "state" is a necessary evil and no society can manage without some form of authority making sure laws are obeyed and enforced.

I have to disagree with socialism as the government is unfair competition in a free market. The "businesses" the government owns (i.e. mixed economies) wouldn't have to stay above the red unlike it's competition. If there was a "public" car company supported by tax revenue while it's competition was a privately owned company . The public one could keep prices at throat slashing levels and could levy various taxes on the private sector to bleed the competition dry.

As for full state or public control (i.e. planned economy), the system lacks a price mechanism and a free price system. Other problems such as a lack of incentive to innovate, ineffective means to redistribute resources also plague the system.

It amuses us and in my opinion was one of the more creative games I've seen on Fakku. You stopped adding rounds on a high note which was possibly the best thing you could do.



There is no creativity in capitalizing the first letter of every word. I believe you meant to say that Windknight is showing individuality. Everybody has an avatar but, he's the only person who types like that.

The accomplishment is staying firm with his principles. He wants to stay sober and by staying sober he makes a small achievement each day.

It's not a grand achievement such as graduating college or obtaining a platinum record but, it's an achievement (i.e. success) in it's own way.

Happens with every new toy. At first you love it and always want to play with it then slowly you get bored of it and want something else. Don't worry it happens to all of us from time to time.

Mexico could turn itself around within a decade if the right changes were made and the corrupt government was eliminated. That is Mexico's biggest problem besides the drug cartels. The government is so rampantly corrupt that the majority of Mexico's problems stem from the corruption. The lack of jobs which causes people to flee the country to America to work for less than our minimum wage. The crumbling infastructure,etc In my opinion, Mexico could hit an industrial boom and look similar to America economicly after ww2 if done right.