[Locked] Simulpublished Magazines and Content Removal

As much as I approve of getting rid of unlicensed content, the monster girl tag is gone and that's half the reason I use this site.

I guess that means I'll be going elsewhere from now on :\

I think you're undervaluing this point. This isn't just about one person and what that one person likes. This about an industry taking notice of an audience it hadn't taken seriously. It's also about showing them that investing in us is a worthwhile endeavor. Publishing your content in English right now is still an afterthought to most artists. Pushing the industry to take us seriously will make it into a given. And furthermore, what? They're magazines and magazines feature lots of different content. It's the same product in Japan. Take Shounen Jump for example, nobody buys that because they like every single thing Shueisha puts in it.

No, FAKKU can't hope to cater to everyone in this scenario. But they're taking a step forward.



How do you know this is the best model? If you asked me I think the best model (most $$) is to find some way to continue operations while giving Japan the finger. In which case FAKKU has no obligation to compensate the original content creators. Also Jacob wouldn't have to pay a team of several translators and editors. Of course this is probably legal suicide but hey, Jacob could probably run away with the money if he wanted to.



I don't know how you're coming to the conclusion that FAKKU is getting in the way here. FAKKU can't possibly kill scanlation if it wanted to. Wani issued DMCA Takedown requests which FAKKU itself complied with. The majority of scanlated hentai always was and will continue to be on EX and other sites. FAKKU is just choosing not to be a host for it anymore. If Jacob wants to produce licensed content and make that available then he must remove the unlicensed stuff. Personally I think it's a miracle that Wani went forward with their deal while FAKKU continued to host unlicensed works. In other words, if we want legitimate English hentai, this is something inevitable. Is now the best time? I don't think either of us knows enough to answer that question.

Ehh, I have more than enough disposable income. I can afford to waste some of it on my delicious Japanese cartoon porn. That said, now it looks like I gotta go hunt elsewhere for some of the stuff that's not on Fakku that I can't find on exhentai.

I will say right now though, the day that Fakku adds a magazine that publishes Gunma or Kouchaya is the day I go 100% legit in my hentai viewing.


....well okay, more like 90% legit.

Right so, first off, thanks for responding to us Jacob. Its good to know we arent being ignored in this time of excitement, confusion, and frustration.

Now I would have preferred this announcement BEFORE it happened but:



Okay so, does this mean some publishers and SOME controversial content? or some publishers and ALL controversial content?

If the former, why is none of it available and why are the tags gone? could you not have removed the content while still keeping the tags, even if partially empty?

If the latter, why did you boot ALL the controversial content in one go? I get what you're doing here, and while it wont work for everybody(dont even know if it will for me but I'll keep faith in you), unlicensed stuff has to go for your plan to work. my beef with this interpretation of your announcement is why did ALL the controversial content have to go at once?
for those of us that really only fap to that stuff, be it monster girl, forced, incest(wincest), or whatever, you've left no buffer between now and when your plan goes into full swing. meanwhile many other readers get to continue enjoying whats left. It feels...unfair.

And again, I know i asked up there but this bugs me, why remove the tags? You brought back fears of the removal of controversial content altogether. could you not have simply removed the content and left the tags there?

That said, here's hoping your plan is a success for Fakku and the fappers alike!

I'll be honest here, I've only been on fakku for about a year now, and been on the forums for maybe a month at most. I found this site due to the Mad Milk page on Memebase. It was weird, I'll admit, reading incest and whatnot. But I very much enjoyed the art that hentai offers. Since then, I've explored many of the tags and content the site has offered, albeit I tend to stick to vanilla if I can. Thus I've found such artists as Momi and Toruneko, two artists which I did not see on the list and am worried I may never see more works from again, as I have no experience with any other websites besides fakku. I've only ever looked up two different works, SGGG(Shagagaga) and Fragile and tough, because they were taken down, and I don't even know what website I viewed them on during those times. I'm also worried that it will be difficult for me to find new content, as my budget is limited (though I did manage to get 2 of the books in the store because they interested me).

All that said, I am willing to try change and will simply hope that my favorite artists will be added at a later date. One last question though, based on what I've read, most of (if not all) controversial content (loli, incest, etc) is currently "blocked" as it were from Fakku. Legitimate versions will, however, be allowed in the future, correct?

Hmm... It bugs me that my first post in the forums has to be here, but anyway, what can you do?

Now, where to start? I have terribly mixed thoughts about all this mess. On one hand, it's true that the best course of action in the future is to go legit, and supporting the industry is something that I personally like to do. However, some things are bugging me big time:

1.- In my opinion, this is the big one: How fast the removals are being done. I believe that the notice of removal should have been up BEFORE actually removing the content in order to avoid pissing off fans and come here complaining how their content is gone (and remember, this is not the first time this has happened). People should have been warned about this, instead of suddenly just spring into action (from the eyes of the consumer)
2.- Lack of transparency of the process. While it's true that mixing legit and pirated content is impossible and everyone here should have arrived at this conclusion once the books section of the site opened, slips of the mind do happen and sometimes we take some things for granted. What has annoyed me through the whole ordeal is how the only way to find out what's going on is to login into your account, head to the forums and search for an explanation, and even then, things aren't being 100% explained (even now). Was it too hard to put at least a little banner on the top of the site explaining the exact situation the site is going on? Which brings me to my next point
3.- More than promises. Just don't say "big things are coming", please. I mean, you have started to open up a bit, but how things are going to work out are still very fuzzy.
4.- And lastly: Removal of Doujinshi. As you've said so before, Jacob, you opened up the site more or less because of Asuka doujins. I love doujins. I love seeing erotic situations between characters I like and know from a series I've been watching/reading/whatever knowing full well there's no way the publisher of the original work is going to support that. Removing that means that it is impossible that I will remain here 100% of the time, simply because it's something that you're not providing with your platform.

In the end, I'm not sure what I'm going to do in the future. I think I would like to support the site eventually, but as someone who's in a terrible financial situation right now (to put things in perspective: currently I can't even afford my usual Crunchyroll premium pass, let alone buying games, replacing my broken PS3 controller, of which it was the only one I had, or anything else regarding entertainment and pleasures), I see this as a barrier preventing me access to the content I used to enjoy because I can't pay. I'm hoping to see some kind of solution for the users who can't pay but would like to remain on the site. Or forget that for a second, and let's change the situation. Let's say I decide I want to start paying, something I'm not averse to, I hope that you're thinking about the privacy of the members: In regard to this taste of mine I'm a very private person, and it's an aspect I don't talk about with anyone, not even my closest friends whom I talk about anything, even VNs with ero content (excepting nukiges, for obvious reasons), or even on the internet, where I always use the same handle everywhere I register (it's obviously not the case here, where I'm using a different handle). It's the reason why even though I've been a member of this site for more than three years I have never posted anything on the forums. If the only way to register is using a bank's credit/debit card and having the name of the site plastered on my monthly statements, you can count I'm definitely not registering for a paid account, and leaving the site for good. Having a paygate with a different name than the site is a good enough measure, or even PayPal, in the worst case scenario.

In the end, I hope I don't have to leave the site for good. As things stand right now, sadly, I will definitely have to, at least partially, use different sites for now.

Holy fucking shit. Doujinshi too? Really?

I'm articulating the trade-off, the dillemma. You're precisely right that it doesn't matter what one person likes. To the same extent, it doesn't matter as much what 60% of the market likes to the other 40%. Say what you want about the variety in Shounen Jump, not everyone has something in Shounen Jump they like. To the same extent, it doesn't matter much to fans of yaoi if Japanese publishers who don't publish yaoi in English start taking the English market seriously. You can argue that it may make publishers that do publish yaoi do the same, but the English market has already been proven in manga, anime, visual novels, video games and more. It's the reason DLSite has an echhi wing and JList has been in business for years. This could be huge to them, but it's not yet beyond hypotheticals.

I'm not saying the move doesn't have any value. I'm saying telling people, "It brings the market you care about that much closer!" is a hollow reassurance to people who's site of preference is going to stop carrying their content of preference. The notion of this leading to a future that's better for them may similarly not matter much to people when there have been incremental steps across a lot of markets ostensibly doing the same years. Meanwhile, their source for the market they care about is going to stop carrying it completely.





I didn't say the route Fakku's going is the best business model. I said relying on unlicensed content isn't the best business model, a point you seem to agree with given that you described it as "legal suicide." These two things aren't mutually exclusive.





I never once said Fakku was getting in the way of people scanlating. I was looking at the cost benefit analysis for a user of Fakku as regards the use of Fakku given Fakku's coming change in content. If you come to Fakku regularly to read tentacle manga, you presumably chose to come to Fakku over the alternatives for a reason, so Fakku stopping carrying tentacle manga will negatively affect you.

I don't think Wani going along with it was a miracle. Maybe not with Fakku and Wani specifically, but something like this was going to happen eventually. Publishing is a rough business, and Wani was given an opportunity to make money instead of just trying to stem the loss. Even if Wani wasn't the one to take Fakku up on the offer, there was going to be at least one company that was going to see it as an opportunity and take a chance.

In case I wasn't clear, though, I understand why Fakku's doing what it's doing, and I think this will be good for the overall market. I would be surprised, though, if Fakku ever again has the diversity of content it had.

I intend to give the subscription a chance, but I fear it's going to be like the TV situation. I used to get Direct TV, and paid over $100 for several hundred channels. I finally stopped subscribing, and stopped watching TV altogether, because I only watched 5 or so channels.

Of all the tags on Fakku, including the missing controversial tags, only 12% of them really interest me. I find myself wondering what are the chances that the magazines will have any stories I'll care to read? Will it be like the TV situation, and I find myself paying for access to magazines that might only have one story in each magazine that I'll care to even read?

We'll see I guess, though, as I said, I intend to give it a chance. I just recently found Fakku and I'm gonna miss the old version, as it was so easy to find what I like without having to sift through everything else.

Now that I know more information then before I'm not upset like I was before. I understood before that if they are going legit that content would be removed so they can earn the trust of the original publishers and creators.

The only thing that I was really upset about was that all the controversial stuff got removed first; being treated differently then the other tags. I know not -all- controversial content is gone, I mean Hanafuda is still here. However I don't think that some tags should be treated differently than others. Someone mentioned that NTR is still there and many people dislike NTR and treat it as controversial. Why get rid of it, then bring it back with the option to filter it, just to get rid of all of that first?

I love FAKKU, and I will support it; because we all know damn well that it's about time we got to enjoy H-Manga/Doujinshi the way it was meant to look like, without censorship, from our favorite artists. I just don't want some tags being treated differently than others. They'll all eventually go so we can get legit things. Just get rid of others more noticeably as well. Treat it all the same.

My only big question, which has been asked but not answered is this: With the magazines, will there be an option to buy issues physically?


Edit: Sorry about those multi posts.. Kept getting a "Down for maintenance" notice when I tried to submit the reply and they didn't show up the first time. Deleted multis.

I think most people are offended about the lack of transparency and the lack of warning to these changes. Changes happen to websites every day, but they give notice when changes are happening and they don't just say "Big things are coming". From a consumer perspective a business that does that doesn't get very far ahead.

I think that everything that Perianth has said hits the core of the issue on the head. I, like a lot of people, love this site for what it has been for all these years. However, I dont come to Fakku/hentai for the standard stuff. As Perianth said, for at the vary least the short term, we, who like the weird stuff whatever it may be, wont have as much content or in worst case be in a situation where we wont get content at all. I have heard a few people, including Jacob (I think), commenting that we will be getting 40 to 60 chapters EACH MONTH! That's Awesome! But, how many of those chapters are going to be, for example, Loli or Incest or Monster Girl or any of the 'controversial tags' or less popular tags. Controversial tags are, spoilers, controversial. Meaning that actual brands probably wont publish these all that much.

I hope this doesn't seem like I am whining to be payed attention to more or that everyone should cater to my needs because I, as I have stated, I love Fakku for what it stands for. And I love it for what its trying to become and I want to support it but, for a college student who is barely able to make ends meet as it is, I wont be able to financially justify this subscription depending on how much it will be if I dont get any of the content that I enjoy on a regular basis. I really hope, Jacob, that you live up to your promises to ensure that all of the less popular tags get sufficient releases as well as the bigger ones.