[Locked] Grow up.

agreed, civility is really important when having a real debate... but what do I care if they decide to sling mud? It only invalidates their points further. My father is the man who taught me how to argue and the most important rule he taught me was that when someone loses their temper or insults the other person they automatically lose, you look foolish and it becomes very hard to work your way back to solid ground. So if someone feels like calling me a name or tries to mock me in any way it only helps solidify my victory. I do agree however that civility is far better for the health of these forums and therefor do wish for it over a mud fight.



and I lose rep; thus my point is proven.

I'll +Rep you tomorrow, but a lot of people can't be bothered talking. Isn't that why the Rep system is there? A quick click can show their thankfulness or annoyance. In no way is this system perfect, but that's how I see it...

nah, the reputation system is meant to award people for something or punish them for doing something foolish, not to show your displeasure.

Not everyone takes it that seriously. You just got a rep for posting about Pyre's stolen car.

EDIT: Twice.

EDIT 2: Three times.

EDIT 3: Four times.

EDIT 4: Hmm, you lost a rep...

EDIT 5: Five times. 4 Reps in total now. Ridiculous...

3 TIMES FOR FUCK SAKE.

yeah but people should, the reason the system is broken is because we break it, so why not help fix it and only rep and derep for good reasons.

We can only hope everyone sees this post and follow it...

I always took the rep system as something that allows people to show pleasure and/or displeasure with a post/user. Nothing more than that. Using it to reinforce behavior is a bit much. After all, every user can use his/her points as he sees fit. There's no standard. No one ever said, "Only derep when someone breaks the rules."

It may be something big, like derepping a person for being racist, or something small, like derepping a person for making a joke in an otherwise serious thread, but either way, it's showing displeasure with that post/person, and while that may be construed as trying to influence behavior, it's just one person's opinion, and it surely cannot have such a great effect on the person that he/she will try to change his behavior. Yes, if the person gets derepped a lot, it may cause the person to think about his/her actions, but usually individuals like that tend to stick out, and they either have people express openly to them that they need to change their ways or embrace the negative reps and see it almost as a form or pride.

My point is, the rep system isn't so mighty that we should see it as a way of regulating behavior. It's just people anonymously voicing their opinions.

I think it'd be impossible to turn the reputation system into anything more than that because all it takes is one troll who likes to fuck with the system to completely mess it up.

Dear person who is derepping me every day for my sole post in this thread:

*silence* ...
sorry.. my brain didn't comprehend that all.. i should stop skimming things i need to read thoroughly...

Meh, anyone who considers the rep system with anything more than a grain of salt really needs to learn to relax. It isn't something to be taken seriously by any means. It sounds good in concept, but a karma/reputation system always fails across the internet. I fail to see why Fakku even bothers with such a broken concept.

Probably because most of the community supports it.

I actually think the reputation system is something that keeps me here.
And I'd give my reasons why I support it, but I don't think I need to.
Plus, that's another topic for another time, isn't it?
Lol, this thread was derailed by a lot.

Rep has pros and cons. It's good since it encourages people to post more (well some), and upload more (tho some consider this as a "not to be repped" action for whatever their reason is) and make awesome threads. But some allow this to get to their heads and actually start bullying people lol.

But with even with that I support the rep concept. It gives more good than harm. It's our way of showing appreciation to our fellow users. (Again, some have their own distorted ways of what rep is and who to give it to)

Yeah I suppose that wasn't a very subjective view, but I simply don't get it. Guess I don't have to though. You can just as easily choose to ignore it.

not sure how anyone can distort the reason for rep, it's been outlined by Jacob many times... People just choose to give it their own meaning ignoring the system or reasoning for it. Repping people or derepping people based on your opinion of them is a piss poor action that simply continues down the cycle of destruction for this system. Once again I guess the fact that sooooo many of our users are under the age of 18 and as immature as 8 year old's cant be helped. This post is in no way targeting anyone unless you're under the age of 18 or rep/derep for the reasons stated above.

the man makes a valid argument, as much as I dislike any agreement with you I will endeavor to rep for the proper reasons from now on. To be honest it didn't even occur to me when I was doing it and I was in the dark about my poor reasoning until just now. I wonder if anyone else had the same problem...

oh and I will rep you once my timer refreshes.

yes repping or derepping people is immature but repping them or derepping them for their post and the post alone whether it's by opinion or not, well that's another thing. Thing is some people has this daily routine of repping or derepping without really proper thought and it's a reality in this forums. Of course the rep system can have a distorted notion otherwise we won't have this tiny problem about reps right? For example is it right to rep for uploads? I think it is more deserving than to just gain reps for a simple crack of joke that only some would lol about. These days I see great deeds like making fanfictions or making comics (good quality ones) that are really worth repping, but for some reason they get less reps than people who just say a sentence or two about something they've seen.

To be honest, I believe there should be a one rep limit for uploads, and that way someone doesn't make hundreds of topics uploading, getting 5+ rep each.

It's impossible to clearly state what is worthy of a rep, positive or negative. To some, a really good joke is worth a +rep, because they like laughing. To others, thought-provoking posts are worth a +rep, or uploading something they like is worth a +rep. Even a simple "Hi, welcome to the site!" is worth +repping someone, to some people. And you cannot simply say, "You're wrong, that's not worthy of rep" because it's up to each person to decide what is valuable and what is not. I think it's silly to +rep a person for posting a YouTube video that's funny, but others do it all the time. Those same people may think I'm silly for +repping people who upload stuff, even if I haven't downloaded the thing and never will. Can we each explain why we feel that our way of giving rep is okay, with good reasons? Yes. Can we prove that one person is wrong and that the other is right? No, because we both gave the +rep for the same reason - we enjoyed the post.

That said, +repping or -repping someone not based on the quality of their posts but because of a personal love or hate of that person is wrong. If a person is worthy of love/hate, he should have posts that are worthy of it. If such posts were +/-repped, it would not be a surprise to those who see it.



I think it'd be better if any post could only receive at most +5 and -5 rep.

+5 is a good amount of rep to receive for anything, and anything that would (reasonably) get more than -5 rep would probably need to be looked at by a mod (and perhaps deleted).