The Slut Movement - Should it be allowed?

I think it's perfectly fine. It makes it easier to weed out the sluttier women for those who want someone more pure.

I think you miss the point.
The way you are blaming anyone who chooses to wear what they wish within the law, instead of blaming the people who perpetrate rape, is exactly why the movement began. No matter what one wears, sexual assault is never "green lit" by ANY action. Rape, by definition, is unwanted.

By deeming everyone able to carry the title of "slut", the movement means to devalue it through showing "Wow, all of these women, many of whom are peoples' friends/sisters/mothers/family/etc. have been called sluts at some point for what they wear? I know they aren't."

Flooding peoples' views with so many, varied and baseless assumptions of a huge group of women shows how empty the claim of "slut" is to any case of sexual assault and abuse.

I will quote my earlier post in the thread here, as pages have progressed:

What causes rape, fundamentally are two things: One, the Rapist and Two: Yes, the 'Victim'. The fact of the matter is, we can all do things every day in life to either keep ourselves or put ourselves into danger. The drug addict who overdoses, is the drug dealer responsible for murder? No, the addict put himself in harms way and he paid the price. Forget about the clothes, what if the woman is at a strip club? Out, late at night?

Should she be raped? Hell no. Is she giving incentive through questionable behavior? Yes. She's putting herself in more risk than she has to be in.

Let's not condone the criminal, but also let's not condone stupidity. Racy dressing, outside of the bedroom or outside of a familiar setting, is just plain stupid.

OH FUCK YOU JUST HAD TO COME TO THIS THREAD, TOO?

Spoilers, everyone: he also thinks a woman's highest duty is to uphold "femininity".

Im not blaming anyone who wears what they wish nor ones that are branded as sluts by other people, All im saying is that slut is a descriptive word and theres no way to 'take it back', These women call themselves sluts whilst dressed like one.

Its like for example I call myself a fascist dressed in a T-Shirt and jeans many people might be a bit put off by that but if I called myself a fascist whilst walking around in a Waffen SS uniform then i'll most probably get my head caved in.

If you call yourself something and you dress like one too then all im saying is that there'll be 'consequences' whether thats right or wrong. (Maybe some people will be more tolerant of me giving the ol' zieg heil salute whilst goosestepping through their neighbourhood but I seriously doubt id be left unmolested)

Im not saying these things just to be a prick or whatever, Im genuinely concerned for women especially in the kind of society which we both live. Believe me ive seen girls getting dragged out of clubs whilst they were absolutely paralytic by random men who've been groping their tits for the past 5 mins, Ive seen it happen... Did I do anything about it? To my shame no i didnt... Did ANYBODY do anything about it? No. If you dont take care of yourself then dangerous things can happen and I believe that if you dress a certain way and act a certain way then 'wrong uns' will be drawn to you.

Also dont drink excessively girls. :) (Its hard to not drink though 'cause its kind of 'expected', I could've been raped on many occasions and im a man so women im sorry to say be extra careful)

You know, for every time my argument gets twisted, the words taken out of context I should be complaining about this more loudly than I am. But I did not call it their 'highest duty'. I said that a woman's femininity is a female at her highest value, towards herself and towards her significant other.

Dumbing it down even further for you: When a woman dresses respectfully, and acts in a respectful manner. She treats herself with class and dignity, and in turn she makes a profound impression upon a male.

A Woman can do what ever she pleases, but if i see somebody and she/he looks like a whore?, I'm going too assume she/he is a whore.

See, that's the thing: not all women dress to please dudes, nay anyone, but themselves.

Heterosexual males have somehow egocentrically thought for eons that this is the case, but many women can assure you, it is not.

A women (and men too of course) should be able to live their lives without fear of rape. Period. It isn't the women's behavior that caused her to be raped, its not the shortness of her skirt-- the only thing that causes rape is the presence of a rapist. The slut movement is about dismantling a culture that allows rape to continue through slut shaming, allowing the rapists to excuse their own behavior as being their victims fault because "she was asking for it". And also dismantling a culture that prevents women from enjoying the same sexual freedom as men by limiting them with social repercussion.

This isn't to say that women should dress grossly inappropriately everywhere, there is a time and place. But never should how intoxicated a victim is, or how colorful her sexual history is, and most certainty how much skin she shows be used to place the responsibility of her own victimization on her shoulders.

Why shouldn't we be able to go out and party without having to constantly fear about being violated-- and worse the shaming that follows which is often more humiliating and painful.

In the end the rapist chose to rape their victim.

The victim did not choose to be raped.

Yet it is the victim that bears the shame and responsibility of the rapists choice.

Yes, this, exactly.
Shame shifts the blame.

Oh, I'm sorry, I neglected to mention that once upon a time, the feminine treated themselves with respect to please themselves, as opposed to men who once thought they were worthless.

And now, with things such as the "Slut movement", those who support the disgrace of the feminine have ironically become worthless. Only to have the male agree and also become worthless in himself.

In the end, you have modern day North America, and the lowest common denominators of Western civilization, which in my mind might as well be barbaric.



"Culture" does not allow rape to continue, the rapist in most cases is caught, I'll give you that sadly our pathetic courts don't treat rape in the same manner as murder, and your sentences typically range from 5-to-20 years. Whereas I believe rape should be treated in the same manner as murder in the first and second degrees.

Rapists are not given an "excuse", no one has ever said that you're allowed to rape a woman because her skirt is too short. But rather, it should be acknowledged that there are social factors involved in an attack. Would you attack someone with a full length of clothes on, thereby being more of a struggle?(And hence, leaving more evidence.) Or a woman's short skirt, which will hardly be violated by the rapist's penetration?

So far from an excuse, it's perfectly valid that a rapist would find it more opportunistic and easier to actually commit the crime when you're wearing less clothes rather than more. Of course, it goes without saying that a woman fully dressed can be raped too.

Want to influence the way rape is viewed in 'society'? Child pedophiles are posted on the internet, heterosexual rapists should be treated the same, and very equally given the same punishment of not interacting with the female species again.

But, as I said, let's not condone stupidity. We have a responsibility to uphold morality, and our own decency. If not, let's not call it a "society" then, and let's live the days of the Wild West.

I don't think that drug addict/drug-dealer analogy of yours fits with the situation at hand. It's like you're saying that a woman gets raped because she's addicted to having sex and thus, it seems as though you're trying to justify a rapist's actions.

At best, it could explain how a woman who likes having casual sex results in getting pregnant -- but then in my opinion, I would say that both parties are at fault, whether it's about the pregnant woman and the father of her child, or the drug addict and the drug dealer. Let's be real, a drug dealer by default is a criminal for selling hazardous drugs in the first place.

It becomes a different case if someone chooses to overdose on pills he/she purchased from a pharmacist--but that would be considered as attempted/committing suicide, which is an entirely different case altogether.

I'm not comparing the case of rape to the drug addict. What I'm trying to say, is that we can all take safety precautions, regardless of the situation and that's not perfect, and there'll continue to be rapes in the future. But that doesn't mean, that you shouldn't take the precautions.

Is a car accident a better analogy? Whether you wear a seat-belt or not, accidents happen but at least by wearing a seat-belt, you have a higher chance of having your head in tact.

So you think conservatively dressed women are more immune to rape? Wow, how very ignorant of the truth.
Do the police ask what you were wearing when you were shot? How about robbed? Home broken into? No.
Someone's personal/sexual history and their choice of clothing in no way transfer any part of the blame from the rapist to the victim. But yet, in courts and by officials, victims are constantly tried as "asking for it" though law forbids such measures.

Rapists don't give a fuck about clothing, so blaming outward appearance is immaterial and victim blaming makes ZERO sense: if a person is going to rape, they will do it no matter the outfit (think prison, child abuse, domestic violence, etc).

I find this image (and others like it, showing clearly "modestly dressed" people) make this point even stronger than words can.










As for thinking rapists are in any way caught or punished similarly to other criminals... check out these current statistics:


From the internationally respected group, RAINN (Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network, and non-profit)
http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

"Morality" is non specific and different depending on class, culture, or religion. You seem to want to impose your own "morality" onto women whom you have no control over. To me the real indecent person in the equation would be the rapist, he is the one being truly disrespectful to women. He to is some who wants to impose his desires onto another person by violating them. It is the same entitled attitude.

"Oh, I'm sorry, I neglected to mention that once upon a time, the feminine treated themselves with respect to please themselves"

Also women did not dress modest because they wanted to, when women's fashion became more revealing there was huge social backlash from religious, government institutions (traditionally controlled by men). Consider when shorter skirts (revealing the ankles) came into fashion for ballet it was followed by outrage, in fact the rite of spring was so unconventional and "sexual" in its movements that it literally caused a riot.
Bared ankles were not accepted until the popularity of bicycles increased among women (bicycles did so much for the women movement) when women began to wear pantaloons under a shorter skirt in order to ride. Still the they and bicycles were demonized.
In the twenties wee see it with the demonetization of loose flapper dresses and rouged knees.
And in the sixties we see it again when society turned away from the stagnant attitudes of the 40's and 50's and became more free the religious institutions were in shock at the idea of free love and bare midriffs.

Society has been consistent in attempting to brow beat the progression and evolution of "femininity". Your antiquated notion of what is feminine this is proof. And your idea of masculinity is probably defunct as well.

Also Culture is collective of those "social factors"

Also heterosexual and homosexual rapists ARE posted on sex offender registries for all range of sex crimes from indecent exposure to forcible rape.

Let me condense your post, you equated me to a rapist, in stating that I violate the female's rights by pushing my own idea of morality on them. Firstly, I disagree with the notion that there's "different" types of morality. We either have the morality to respect ourselves, our peers and our bodies or we don't.

Secondly, in upholding that moral standard for myself and others I don't subject others to 'my opinion', or 'my will.' I uphold what I believe should be our standards for humanity. I'd like to see what government institutions prevented women from dressing however they wanted, this will be amusing.

My idea of masculinity, the way I would like to present myself as a man is someone who respects females, someone who idolizes his lover and has her by his side. Someone who will cultivate a strong sense of family values.

A world without these moralities, again, is the lowest common denominator of western civilization, it's trash. Sexuality can only be truly open in one place,the bedroom. Anywhere else, it loses it's elegance.

Those two sentences seem to be contradicting one another.



It's only in your opinion that sexuality should only be explored in the bedroom and that it has an elegant meaning to it, so you shouldn't state it as though it were fact, especially if it's not accepted as a universal truth.

They can dress however they want. Just be mindful of virgin eyes and don't complain if some creepy old man stalks you in an alley and tries to have his way with you.

So a woman shouldn't complain if she gets sexually harassed for wearing what they want? Are you saying that a 'creepy old man' is justified for stalking and attempting rape solely because of the woman's choice of clothing?

Nothing justifies rape, let's get that out of the way first.

Second, I have seen girls that both dress and act like whores. Those are the people I was referring to. Like I said, women can wear whatever they want.