The Slut Movement - Should it be allowed?
Should girls be allowed to dress however they want even if its totally slutty?
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Lollikittie wrote...
I'm sorry, Lustful"Angel", but taking away a person's gender identity does not rob them of a purpose or place in society. The fact that you think so just shows how completely out of touch with reality, you really are. Because, by saying that to have no 'defined gender role' is to 'not have a purpose', you are very literally saying that a person's purpose is to fit a sexual role. You could not be more misguided and out of touch. A person is more than what's between their legs. A person's ultimate purpose has nothing to do with their gender. If I wasn't allowed to be feminine, I wouldn't feel lost. Maybe a little resentful simply because I was being prohibited from something, but any time you prohibit a kid from anything at all, they're going to be resentful.
And yet, just how many males do you see not exercise what you and I would classify as typical male behavior, clothing, etc? For my part, I've always wanted to be more feminine, but I always knew that my masculinity is first and foremost in my identity. I mean, I am a guy after all. There's no denying that. Likewise, how many of your fellow female colleagues have you seen, not embracing their feminism in one way or another?
I'm not saying that a person's purpose is to fill a sexual role, a person's purpose and social identity comes from the base of their gender. Otherwise, why bother calling each other 'male' and 'female'? Why do we have different bathrooms?
If you really believed your testimony to such an extent, are you prepared to reply you're willing to accept a future where both genders have the same bathroom? For some reason, I'm highly skeptical you'll reply in the affirmative.
Lollikittie wrote...
The future is going to tear down all ideas of gender roles. The future is one of inherent ambiguity. People will define themselves based on how they truly feel. You can either accept this as fact and have a truly fulfilling life, embracing everything at face value, or you can bury your head a little deeper in the sand and go on thinking that it's everyone else who's gone mad. It saddens me that you're so dismayed at the thought of this future. I hope for your sake that you can one day see the beauty in a truly liberated human race.
Love and compassion care not for boundaries, societal 'norms', or physical limitations. People are people, and people deserve love. Flesh or virtue have no real meaning. You can reject this idea as perverse, but doing so will keep you from ever truly connecting with your race. [Human]
If Virtue has no meaning, then society has no meaning. Your world has already been created, and we've already seen the results, Mademoiselle Loli-chan. You're right aesthetically that love has no boundaries or limitations.
But, in your ideal of 'casual sex' for example, where does the love exist? Do you really believe you can have affection for a male in a one-night stand? Hah. In such a scenario, your body has become the representative, not your feelings or emotions, the male couldn't possibly love you. The same, of course, is held true for the male's body being the representative and the female couldn't possibly love the male.
And even if somehow you actually profess to 'loving' each other, your mostly drawn to that sexual attraction, and it'll be a romantic unknown. He might very well be a jerk, or she might not be the type of woman he wanted in his life.
Some have stated that me and Loli have gone off-topic, no, we expanded it. My reasoning for why the 'Slut Movement' was counterproductive, and how the modern feminist's thoughts, actually detracts from feminism. Hell, as Loli-chan has admitted in her own words, this is the future.
A future with no social identity however, is a future of anti-humanism. Mademoiselle, I'll say it again: Human without a social identity are little more than Artificial Lifeforms.
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Slut Movement....eh. Wear what you want as long as you obey the law, but also keep in mind that people will always judge by appearances. You're not immune to public scrutiny just because "I am woman hear me roar." And, like, really? Mini-skirts with no panties? That's just stupid. That actually is asking for something. I won't go so far as to say rape, but if anyone caught that, you are getting attention of some kind whether it be pointed fingers and whispers or long stares.
Also, Lustful Angel, what the fuck are you even saying? lol It's hard to even comprehend what you mean half the time and when you try and rebut someone, you use an opinion or jump to some random thing that's maybe sometimes related to the original point.
Also, Lustful Angel, what the fuck are you even saying? lol It's hard to even comprehend what you mean half the time and when you try and rebut someone, you use an opinion or jump to some random thing that's maybe sometimes related to the original point.
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Maeve wrote...
So getting back on topic from yet ANOTHER dumb derailing.I can agree with the movement, HOWEVER there needs to be a feeling of sensibility present for what you wear.
People are going to think certain things when people wear particular clothes. Is that assumption true? Not necessarily, but people are going to think so regardless.
As far as it being a rapist's excuse to rape, thats unreasonable that people actually buy that shit.
But don't you enjoy eating popcorn while watching threads get derailed? It's insane! (sarcasm)
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GiantBeardedFace wrote...
Maeve wrote...
So getting back on topic from yet ANOTHER dumb derailing.I can agree with the movement, HOWEVER there needs to be a feeling of sensibility present for what you wear.
People are going to think certain things when people wear particular clothes. Is that assumption true? Not necessarily, but people are going to think so regardless.
As far as it being a rapist's excuse to rape, thats unreasonable that people actually buy that shit.
But don't you enjoy eating popcorn while watching threads get derailed? It's insane! (sarcasm)
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This should be in SD with all dat wall o' text.
OT: I don't really mind. Let girls wear what they want.
OT: I don't really mind. Let girls wear what they want.
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Girls dressed like sluts are rape magnets. Hence why I find it better for women to wear modest clothing.
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pspkiller626 wrote...
Girls dressed like sluts are rape magnets. Hence why I find it better for women to wear modest clothing.Really? You honestly blame clothing when rape occurs often regardless of dress (think children, prison, military, etc)?
Such assumptions assume YOU have no control over YOURself as a person.
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I'm not against it, but rapists would more likely target a woman dress in such a way that is defined by this movement. When someone says a certain style of dress may cause a rape they maybe implying that it will make you more of a target and rather then saying the style of dress is to blame it is more of a motive to rape but holds no responsibility for the rape (that would be said rapist to blame).
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gizgal wrote...
pspkiller626 wrote...
Girls dressed like sluts are rape magnets. Hence why I find it better for women to wear modest clothing.Really? You honestly blame clothing when rape occurs often regardless of dress (think children, prison, military, etc)?
Such assumptions assume YOU have no control over YOURself as a person.

I disagree with this, it's not so much that it assumes that males cannot 'control themselves', but what's the purpose of such lingerie? I mean, let's get serious here Gizgal, you're not dumb. Such lingerie is sexual, it's meant to sexually arouse.
Wearing sexually arousing material in public, even if you're not "asking" for it, you're attracting it. It's like wearing a bunch of pollen on your body. You're not asking for the bee's, but if you didn't expect them, idiocy doesn't even come close to the type of stupidity.
A man whose confident in himself, whose psychologically sane won't rape the woman, but even in that case, will the sane man hit on you? Damn straight, unless he's gay or taken.
I'll say it again: Rape is a psychological crime, dealing with the insecurity complex of a person who sexually devalues the person he's assailing.
The reverse is also true: Hold yourself as a 'slut', and well, you're devaluing yourself.
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LustfulAngel wrote...
gizgal wrote...

I disagree with this, it's not so much that it assumes that males cannot 'control themselves', but what's the purpose of such lingerie? I mean, let's get serious here Gizgal, you're not dumb. Such lingerie is sexual, it's meant to sexually arouse.
Wearing sexually arousing material in public, even if you're not "asking" for it, you're attracting it. It's like wearing a bunch of pollen on your body. You're not asking for the bee's, but if you didn't expect them, idiocy doesn't even come close to the type of stupidity.
A man whose confident in himself, whose psychologically sane won't rape the woman, but even in that case, will the sane man hit on you? Damn straight, unless he's gay or taken.
I'll say it again: Rape is a psychological crime, dealing with the insecurity complex of a person who sexually devalues the person he's assailing.
The reverse is also true: Hold yourself as a 'slut', and well, you're devaluing yourself.
Really?
See, the thing is... you keep thinking women care about what YOU think about them.
If they want to declare they're slutty/dressed the way they want/etc, how does that confidence devalue THEM? The only one placing negative value is you.
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gizgal wrote...
LustfulAngel wrote...
gizgal wrote...

I disagree with this, it's not so much that it assumes that males cannot 'control themselves', but what's the purpose of such lingerie? I mean, let's get serious here Gizgal, you're not dumb. Such lingerie is sexual, it's meant to sexually arouse.
Wearing sexually arousing material in public, even if you're not "asking" for it, you're attracting it. It's like wearing a bunch of pollen on your body. You're not asking for the bee's, but if you didn't expect them, idiocy doesn't even come close to the type of stupidity.
A man whose confident in himself, whose psychologically sane won't rape the woman, but even in that case, will the sane man hit on you? Damn straight, unless he's gay or taken.
I'll say it again: Rape is a psychological crime, dealing with the insecurity complex of a person who sexually devalues the person he's assailing.
The reverse is also true: Hold yourself as a 'slut', and well, you're devaluing yourself.
Really?
See, the thing is... you keep thinking women care about what YOU think about them.
If they want to declare they're slutty/dressed the way they want/etc, how does that confidence devalue THEM? The only one placing negative value is you.
I don't equate showing off the nudity of one's body in public space for everyone to gawk at, 'confidence', I'm not an art piece at a museum :D. I have nothing against dressing in a quote "mature" manner(IE:Refined dress, meant to attract), but an overly laissez-faire piece of clothing is only going to draw sexual
attention in public.
It has one purpose, and one setting only: Sexual, and it's for the bedroom. Unless, you're the type that wants to be gawked at, museum-style :D.
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LustfulAngel wrote...
gizgal wrote...
LustfulAngel wrote...
gizgal wrote...

I disagree with this, it's not so much that it assumes that males cannot 'control themselves', but what's the purpose of such lingerie? I mean, let's get serious here Gizgal, you're not dumb. Such lingerie is sexual, it's meant to sexually arouse.
Wearing sexually arousing material in public, even if you're not "asking" for it, you're attracting it. It's like wearing a bunch of pollen on your body. You're not asking for the bee's, but if you didn't expect them, idiocy doesn't even come close to the type of stupidity.
A man whose confident in himself, whose psychologically sane won't rape the woman, but even in that case, will the sane man hit on you? Damn straight, unless he's gay or taken.
I'll say it again: Rape is a psychological crime, dealing with the insecurity complex of a person who sexually devalues the person he's assailing.
The reverse is also true: Hold yourself as a 'slut', and well, you're devaluing yourself.
Really?
See, the thing is... you keep thinking women care about what YOU think about them.
If they want to declare they're slutty/dressed the way they want/etc, how does that confidence devalue THEM? The only one placing negative value is you.
I don't equate showing off the nudity of one's body in public space for everyone to gawk at, 'confidence', I'm not an art piece at a museum :D. I have nothing against dressing in a quote "mature" manner(IE:Refined dress, meant to attract), but an overly laissez-faire piece of clothing is only going to draw sexual
attention in public.
It has one purpose, and one setting only: Sexual, and it's for the bedroom. Unless, you're the type that wants to be gawked at, museum-style :D.
I'm just going to point out that lingerie is very rarely worn in public. I know there are such thing as corset tops [I love them, am collecting them -- but they're shirts, not lingerie. There's sleeves, and they're full length.]
What's being discussed is the average 'slutty' outfit -- probably a tight spaghetti-strap tank top, short skirt. Maybe a visible midriff, maybe not. You know as well as I do that women do not walk out of their apartments in panties and hooker heels.
We're discussing sexy attire. Not lingerie.
And sexy attire, not being lingerie, is not 'inviting' rape. You need to realize that a woman has the right to work what she's got. It's not the same as being a whore, and it is about self-confidence. When you feel beautiful, you want to strut. And there is nothing wrong or foul or whoreish about strutting.
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LustfulAngel wrote...
I'll say it again: Rape is a psychological crime, dealing with the insecurity complex of a person who sexually devalues the person he's assailing.
Rape is about power, specifically taking it away from someone else. It has nothing to do with insecurity
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Black Jesus JC wrote...
LustfulAngel wrote...
I'll say it again: Rape is a psychological crime, dealing with the insecurity complex of a person who sexually devalues the person he's assailing.
Rape is about power, specifically taking it away from someone else. It has nothing to do with insecurity
I hope you realized the oxymoron of saying it has nothing to do with insecurity, while stating it's about taking away someone else's power.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/insecurity
lack of confidence or assurance; self-doubt: He is plagued by insecurity.
The rapist takes the victim's power, so as to feel reassured of his own feeble, insignificant power. Much the same way a racist is racist against a minority if for no other reason than justification of his own setbacks and ill-perceived outlook.
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TBH who gives a fuck about the reasoning behind a rapists actions!? Power, Insecurity... Opportunity? There are a million and one reasons why someone might actually rape and I dont think that its right to pigeon hole rapists and say its simply one thing that motivates all of them and thats that. (They dont have hive minds)
As for clothing I dont mind a girl showing off a little midriff at all or showing off her beautiful legs (Et~ Cetera~) but I think that if a guy comes up to you *Respectfully like* and asks you "How much" you should at least think "Fuck, That person thought I was a prostitute" and take a good look at yourself... Unless you were consciously going for that 'street walker' look and actually want to be mistaken for a hooker that is. (Although I dont think thats a very good aspiration to have) :S
In my opinion stripper heels are never cool or a good idea, Its just bad taste and looks cheap!
Maybe im just a fucking square though when it comes to fashion. Lol~ :D
As for clothing I dont mind a girl showing off a little midriff at all or showing off her beautiful legs (Et~ Cetera~) but I think that if a guy comes up to you *Respectfully like* and asks you "How much" you should at least think "Fuck, That person thought I was a prostitute" and take a good look at yourself... Unless you were consciously going for that 'street walker' look and actually want to be mistaken for a hooker that is. (Although I dont think thats a very good aspiration to have) :S
In my opinion stripper heels are never cool or a good idea, Its just bad taste and looks cheap!
Maybe im just a fucking square though when it comes to fashion. Lol~ :D