Bravely Default/Bravely Second
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Ammy wrote...
Okay, have fun supporting censorship everyone.I have only two choices if I want to play this: get the mildly censored version that's in a language I can understand, or have the moonspeak version imported so I can enjoy a bit of extra skin. You're proposing boycotting the game over a minor reduction in sexual imagery. It's "not that big of a deal" because of how petty this is. This is simply a matter of degree. It's hardly as egregious as changing the writing or plot to be less offensive to some whiny bitches (see Ken Levine changing Bioshock Infinite's depiction of religiosity for more info). I think it's bullshit, too, but considering the circumstances, I can tolerate such a minor transgression if it means I get to play one of the few games worth having for the 3DS. If you have a principle that demands not supporting any type of censorship ever (even indirectly, as is the case here), then I can understand, but I feel bad for you, son, cause I have 99 problems, but covered cleavage ain't one.
Ammy wrote...
I seriously want a legitimate reason for why these changes were made.The main characters were minors in addition to the chicks having various stripper outfits. Not only were they covered up, but all the characters have been made into adults. Since Square Enix is the one imposing the censorship, or self-censoring, they might have seen a risk in releasing the game in it's jap-friendly state in the western market. I can't speak for Europe, but American culture is rather prudish, so Square probably decided on a different approach to the market as a result of these cultural disparities. How are you so sure the ESRB would still give it a T rating? Here's one of the things they say about the game:
Fucking ESRB wrote...
During the course of the game, the dialogue contains references to suggestive material (e.g., “I would be happily obliged to make space in my own bed for you,” “At this rate I shall be compelled to clasp you to my breast, and plant a kiss upon your lips”).One of the sources I looked at claimed Square removed some sex jokes, too. I know, "suggestive material," boo fucking hoo, but an M rating would potentially have a significant impact on sales. Maybe Square is playing it safe. Perhaps they know something you don't. Just keep in mind that all Square really gives a fuck about is sales. Remember that the characters were originally minors. They likely wanted to avoid being seen as sexualizing teenagers. Maybe you don't consider them legitimate, but these are the best reasons I can think of to explain the cock blocking.
Ammy wrote...
Who is offended? Soccer moms and gaming journalists? Is that who? So people in the west can't play the game in its original form because some people who'll never play it may get offended? Because they think their kid will get a hold of it and become a future rapist because of fucking chibis in sexy outfits?The "think of the children" mentality is actually one of the reasons the ESRB exists.
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Ammy wrote...
Okay, have fun supporting censorship everyone. You're missing the point completely if you think supporting it's okay because they didn't remove anything that altered the game-play or story.rant
Spoiler:
I'm sure they thought that the need to censor Bravely Default was pretty stupid as well, but the idea that shit parents will actually try to make a fuss and bring them to court over it is completely lunatic. It happens though and probably frequent enough where they had to do this. Even if we were to not buy the game it wouldn't necessarily lead to untouched games from japan being released over here. They'd just stop bringing it over as the cheaper solution and the rest of us are boned.
They're goal is to satisfy a broader US audience that is NOT the people like us who actually enjoy the content over there. So, we have limited options of:
1. Don't get the game. Miss out of the fun.
2. Take the time to learn Japanese, import games.
3. Hope that more companies like Xseed leave the game alone when they localize it.
More than often people are left with option 1. I'm barely cutting into option 2 and/or can't afford time. Long story short, it comes down to the company willing to deal with some fucking ignorance and I mean really fucking ignorant people. Have you seen the Xseed's twitter when they came out with Senran Kagura Burst? They handled them like a boss.
AND YES, Yes there are fucktards that would say chibi's in bikinis promote rape culture. That's why we can't have nice things from Japan.
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Rbz wrote...
Ammy wrote...
Okay, have fun supporting censorship everyone.I have only two choices if I want to play this: get the mildly censored version that's in a language I can understand, or have the moonspeak version imported so I can enjoy a bit of extra skin. You're proposing boycotting the game over a minor reduction in sexual imagery. It's "not that big of a deal" because of how petty this is. This is simply a matter of degree. It's hardly as egregious as changing the writing or plot to be less offensive to some whiny bitches (see Ken Levine changing Bioshock Infinite's depiction of religiosity for more info). I think it's bullshit, too, but considering the circumstances, I can tolerate such a minor transgression if it means I get to play one of the few games worth having for the 3DS. If you have a principle that demands not supporting any type of censorship ever (even indirectly, as is the case here), then I can understand, but I feel bad for you, son, cause I have 99 problems, but covered cleavage ain't one.
Ammy wrote...
I seriously want a legitimate reason for why these changes were made.The main characters were minors in addition to the chicks having various stripper outfits. Not only were they covered up, but all the characters have been made into adults. Since Square Enix is the one imposing the censorship, or self-censoring, they might have seen a risk in releasing the game in it's jap-friendly state in the western market. I can't speak for Europe, but American culture is rather prudish, so Square probably decided on a different approach to the market as a result of these cultural disparities. How are you so sure the ESRB would still give it a T rating? Here's one of the things they say about the game:
Fucking ESRB wrote...
During the course of the game, the dialogue contains references to suggestive material (e.g., “I would be happily obliged to make space in my own bed for you,” “At this rate I shall be compelled to clasp you to my breast, and plant a kiss upon your lips”).One of the sources I looked at claimed Square removed some sex jokes, too. I know, "suggestive material," boo fucking hoo, but an M rating would potentially have a significant impact on sales. Maybe Square is playing it safe. Perhaps they know something you don't. Just keep in mind that all Square really gives a fuck about is sales. Remember that the characters were originally minors. They likely wanted to avoid being seen as sexualizing teenagers. Maybe you don't consider them legitimate, but these are the best reasons I can think of to explain the cock blocking.
Ammy wrote...
Who is offended? Soccer moms and gaming journalists? Is that who? So people in the west can't play the game in its original form because some people who'll never play it may get offended? Because they think their kid will get a hold of it and become a future rapist because of fucking chibis in sexy outfits?The "think of the children" mentality is actually one of the reasons the ESRB exists.
Well, I'll admit that this isn't one of the worst cases of censorship so I can see how you view boycotting it as "petty". Still, I just wish America could get rid of this "think of the children" mentality. I'm just sick of everything getting censored because people are prude fucks.
Also, the Japanese version has an English text option. I plan on importing it as well as a Japanese 3DS and a few other games. Still learning moon so hopefully I won't have to deal with stuff like this in a few years. Not a huge loss for me either. As you said, I don't support censorship on principal but I've still got plenty of other stuff to do.
As for the "T" rating.... I guess I'm not so sure after all. I don't think the costumes alone should bump it to an "M" but I guess the situation the ESRB described could possibly be suggestive enough to do that.
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I haven't even gotten that far into the game yet but I doubt the censored costumes make that big of a difference. Hell it might be like Fire Emblem Awakening's case where the censoring made it even MORE suggestive(looking at you, Tharja and your Summer Scramble DLC)
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This game is has me completely hooked. I didn't even know it was possible to make a red-rover RPG interesting again, but they managed to create a game that mandates the players breaking it with the tools that facilitate its deconstruction. Auto and speed up are glorious additions to the game, because it actually legitimatizes the 4 Merchant build grind machine without subverting it under impossible time-sink.
Combine those two features with how special move music buffs work and you have a game that is amazingly self-aware of its design. To eek out the most value out of your timed buffs, it actually is efficient to use auto and speed up. It's not just a quality of life thing for lazy people; it's an actual mechanic.
Basically, I'm doing non-stop mad science. It's a great feeling. I haven't done this on a console since Final Fantasy Tactics.
Rant
I knew side-issue game politics would find this thread (Thanks Kotaku.) Trust me, nobody reasonable actually cares about censorship because we've seen Squeenix turn to shit. That was a crime against humanity far beyond losing a couple boob windows and gaining a few belt buckles on Edea-Scissor-Loli. Go to some other game if you want to bitch about censorship, because here, all we're actually concerned about is getting back to half-decent game design.
/rant
Combine those two features with how special move music buffs work and you have a game that is amazingly self-aware of its design. To eek out the most value out of your timed buffs, it actually is efficient to use auto and speed up. It's not just a quality of life thing for lazy people; it's an actual mechanic.
Basically, I'm doing non-stop mad science. It's a great feeling. I haven't done this on a console since Final Fantasy Tactics.
Rant
I knew side-issue game politics would find this thread (Thanks Kotaku.) Trust me, nobody reasonable actually cares about censorship because we've seen Squeenix turn to shit. That was a crime against humanity far beyond losing a couple boob windows and gaining a few belt buckles on Edea-Scissor-Loli. Go to some other game if you want to bitch about censorship, because here, all we're actually concerned about is getting back to half-decent game design.
/rant
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Misaki_Chi
Fakku Nurse
I don't really care about the censorship. I've been enjoy the game so far. I especially love that they kept the option to switch over to Japanese with English subtitles (^w^)
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cruz737 wrote...
I need more minions villagers.You should look for a street-pass event in your area or start up one.
For those who street-pass, STAHP SENDING OUT BOSSES! Why you gotta terrorize my people?
I got back from a street-pass event with 44 people tagged for this game and now my town is plagued by bosses that absolutely chew through my ass. Playing on hard-mode, bosses are uber-unfair, but I am definitely sticking to the level difficulty.
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kanakanakana wrote...
cruz737 wrote...
I need more minions villagers.You should look for a street-pass event in your area or start up one.
For those who street-pass, STAHP SENDING OUT BOSSES! Why you gotta terrorize my people?
I got back from a street-pass event with 44 people tagged for this game and now my town is plagued by bosses that absolutely chew through my ass. Playing on hard-mode, bosses are uber-unfair, but I am definitely sticking to the level difficulty.
Ah, the same thing is happening to me. The suggested levels on those bosses are bullshit on hard mode. Beelzebub one shot my entire party at 10. Managed to beat one around 15 tough.
This game is fantastic though, It's got me hooked hard.
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Cruz
Dope Stone Lion
So I just beat chapter one and the optional boss fights, and jeezus was that tedious. I like the combat system but damn was that frustrating. Stopping my healer in it's track won't stop my from tanking through, but it sure as hell made it annoying.
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I'm stuck on what I believe is the the final boss of chapter 2 currently. Tried pretty much everything, this'll be the fist time I've actually had to stop progressing in the game to go grind out some levels.
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I am neurotically getting all my Job Levels to 9 in the forest where you unlock Summoner. I am using Blackmage to burn through the mobs to get all the exp bonuses.
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*looks at Airy*
Don't care about gameplay. I'm playing this.
EDIT : I heard about the censor... I'm not happy...
Don't care about gameplay. I'm playing this.
EDIT : I heard about the censor... I'm not happy...
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Hentanize
rebaS
Zaff wrote...
I'm stuck on what I believe is the the final boss of chapter 2 currently. Tried pretty much everything, this'll be the fist time I've actually had to stop progressing in the game to go grind out some levels.I don't know what difficulty you're playing on but I recommend switching to easy if you want to grind, it'll save you time.
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Street-passed someone with 9999 power as a level 37...how in the hell?
EDIT: Never mind, I just figured it out.
EDIT: Never mind, I just figured it out.
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Hentanize wrote...
Zaff wrote...
I'm stuck on what I believe is the the final boss of chapter 2 currently. Tried pretty much everything, this'll be the fist time I've actually had to stop progressing in the game to go grind out some levels.I don't know what difficulty you're playing on but I recommend switching to easy if you want to grind, it'll save you time.
I'm playing on hard, and I grinded on hard, I've decided to play through the entire game without changing the difficulty. Only took me an hour or so, grinded out level 7 white mage on 2 characters for abate water in the garden area with the summoner asterisk.
kanakanakana wrote...
Street-passed someone with 9999 power as a level 37...how in the hell?EDIT: Never mind, I just figured it out.
I've hit a few high jumps on my Valkyrie with magic on her weapon for 9999.
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Oh my god, I hate how badly characters fall behind in exp after deaths in boss fights. Ringabel suddenly 3k exp behind everyone else simply for dying just before Qada dies.
