The console wars

From the pics I have seen it's far to slim already for it to get slimmer as the years go on. It would be as thin as a sheet of paper if that was the case. I doubt anything will be shown at E3 about it since it's a prototype. The pics I have seen are fuzzy and are taken in a lab. The handler of the device has on green gloves suggestion the full sterilization thing is going on.

I found those images, and they don't look that slim compared to the current PS3 models.

this would be what they're revealing. its my belief that konami will release a special edition metal gear solid 4 to 360 sometime in the near future. thatll kill ps3s quality exclusives but id prefer sharing then keeping things to ourselves.

im sure its been said before, but why wouldnt microsoft, sony and nintendo make a super system? make their independent systems out of competition but also sell a multifaceted system that can play all games from all systems. i know the idea has huge flaws but itd solve alotta problems.

For like the hundredth time. That is not for a 360 MGS4. It has been revealed to be a MG game for the iPhone.

That's really old dude, it's not linked with the new commercial, and it's already been revealed that it was a MGS for the iphone.

disappointing. haha im suprised about that development, i was wondering what the i was about. sorry for being misinformed, please dont rip me apart.

Money. If you were Microsoft or Nintendo, would you be willing to merge your console with Sony's right now and cough up 30% of the profit for something that's only earning 10%? (not a real statistic, just an example)

It's like doing group work in school, in this case Nintendo is the hard worker, Microsoft is the smart guy, and Sony is the one talking to his friend from the other group, flicking rubber bands at people. They wouldn't carry their weight.

Plus, if there's only one console prices are gonna go up, monopoly and all that. I'm not gonna explain it here, you should already know if you paid attention in 10th grade history or economics.

Finally, if the people in charge of that one super-console decide not to let a certain developer make games for their system, no matter how awesome, then that developer's boned, there aren't any other non-pc platforms for them to turn to.

This of course is ignoring the technological cluster-fuck that would come from this plan.

Short Version - Not gonna happen. Ever.

I want to see another Sega console, tbh. It'd spice things up.

I'm pretty sure he is talking about before hand. Thinking fr them to all make one now is ludicrous considering all the hard work each company has put into their respective consoles.




Sony has made huge improvements to their console. They had and have a gameplan. Financial lost was expected from the sales of the ps3. They knew full well costs of production wouldn'y be equaled by sales for many years. It still isn't btw. The PS3 is simply made of higher quality parts and has more features and there for parts then any of the other consoles.

Nintendo took the safe route and did what they are good at. Casual gaming. Not breaking from the norm and trying something new is considered hard work nowadays? I always thought trying new and different things and dealing with the good and bad that comes with said new ideas was hard work. Admittedly there is the whole motion control thing and wii fit but really? A exercise machine?


I also lol'd at microsoft smart comment when I think of the hundreds of thousands of consoles that have RRODed and E74ed. Also the whole problem with the disk drive scratching DVDs and games when you set it up. That is smart thinking right there indeed. /sarcasm.




So we can have more awesome Sonic titles?

Admittedly they made a smart move with Blu-ray, but the recession made this backfire a bit.

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Imo, Nintendo took a gamble tantamount to the Virtual Boy with the Wii, but this time it paid dividends. They had to be really careful with costs, useability and image with the Wii and it's motion-sensers and they pulled it off. Recently they've coasted a bit but they are right up there with the other two for hard work.

[quote:c1818897bb]I also lol'd at microsoft smart comment when I think of the hundreds of thousands of consoles that have RRODed and E74ed. Also the whole problem with the disk drive scratching DVDs and games when you set it up. That is smart thinking right there indeed. /sarcasm.[/quote:c1818897bb]
That's the price they paid for releasing the console so early and with quality but experimental tech. Again, they took a gamble but the year gap ultimately paid dividends. When the problems did arise they dealt with it well at least.

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I never liked Sonic, actually. :P I think it'd just be interesting to see if they could keep with the times and get developers onboard. It might give us a different angle to the predictable big three atm, at least.

Maybe i should have used fewer analogies. What I meant when I said Sony wouldn't carry their weight isn't that they wouldn't work hard, but that they make so much less money compared to Microsoft and Nintendo. The Microsoft smart comment also wasn't meant to imply that Microsoft's better, just that they and Nintendo have greater financial success than Sony in the console market.

I will however admit that both and Microsoft and Nintendo had best come up with something similar or just switch to blu-ray, because the idea of a 20-disc XBOX360 version of FF13 is really not something I'm fond of.

It was a backfire they new was coming tho. It was always a money lost situation and they knew it. They however couldn't predict our economy going to shit. That is what hurt them more then they wanted.




I was referring more towards the games. The reason the wii can't handle high end graphics is because they never had any intention of doing anything like what the Ps3 and 360 are doing. They related their console to kids. The majority of wii's aren't bought by gamers, they are bought by moms for their kids. The same with the DS.



Consoles are still E74ing and RRODing.



WIth our economy and their piss poor sales as of late I doubt that will ever happen.




Microsoft refuses to admit their mistake with HDDVD and hop on the PS3 blu ray band wagon. There have been so many rumors but they deny it every time. Nintendo just needs to come out with a whole new console. Keep the wii compatibility but make it with less limitations.

Nintendo just went back to their roots. They decided to not do what was expected of the other systems and release something that was designed for the entire family to enjoy. Shit, Nintendo's first console was called the Famicon, short for Family Console. The Wii is just like that - it's something a family can play together.

And it was a big risk, because it meant cutting out the "hardcore" gamers, who prefer to sit in front of a screen by themselves for hours at a time. If families decided that they didn't want the Wii, then Nintendo would have been screwed, and there was no guarantee that families would like the system.

Nintendo proved that they were the smartest by releasing Wii Sports with the system. People who bought Wiis didn't even have to buy any games to have hours of fun.

Plus, schools and rehabilitation centers are purchasing Wiis to help people exercise. You won't see that with the 360 or PS3. That's probably the main reason I like the Wii - it's not just a gaming system bought to entertain yourself; it can be used to better yourself.

That is where their money and success comes from. The wii had as I've said the cool factor except with kids other then the hardcore class. The wii was on just about every kids wish list. The motion sensor sold the hell out of that thing. They knew it would work because touch screen worked with the DS. It was the interactivity that drew kids. I have played three games on the wii. SSBB, Mario Galaxy, Zelda. That is all that interested me.



Since Nintendo and game companies made games for the family to begin with I don't see how it was such a gamble. They made games a whole family could play. Relating a gaming console with a family today. All the family could play a lot of wii games at once. Siblings etc. They marketed and sold the hell out of it. Sure they took a slight risk but it was pretty cemented. Cheap, interactive, burns kids energy with flailing of controller and family oriented.



That was indeed a smart move. They wanted to show how a family could interact and play with the console.



Well doesn't nintendo just have a big heart? It's almost the size of their wallet.

I'd argue that it still has a decent library of adult games - horror, fighting, platform and adventure titles - and that it would otherwise probably have sustained itself like the Gamecube, on the fanbase and children alone. I don't think anyone can deny the unprecedented market penetration though, to the extent that the Wii and the DS are not only a topic of conversation among regular people, but also an integral part of many of these people's routines and even lives.

My apologies if this ends up as a double post.

You can't say that the motion sensor wasn't a fair risk on their part; it's a ridiculous leap from the norm in terms of console gaming, and then you consider the possible technological flaws, optimising it and the pricing...


Regardless of the appeal, gaming has always held a kind of taboo status for many normal people, with the associated negative culture and the difficulty. The Wii has managed to erase so much of this that it's unreal. It's hardly a games console anymore, more a family entertainment centre.

Actually it would be more correct to say that the route Nintendo took with the Wii was the only route available to them that did not end at a cliff or brick wall. The GC took 3rd last gen, and all three of those consoles had a lot of overlap in terms of demographics. Nintendo did break from the norm, which is what was required to prevent it from getting into financial troubles eventually. The 360 and PS3 are the "norm", they have traditional controls with the typical huge graphical improvement over the previous gen.

Despite all it's problems,RROD being most obvious, I have a 360. I have no interest in a WII and the 360 can be modded...I dunno if the ps3 can but at the time when I made my decision to buy it there was no mod for ps3 (to my knowledge) and there was no fucking way I was gonna pay 60$/game

Sup new timer!




Anyone get it?

Yeah, hardcore gamers abandoned Nintendo last gen so they only have themselves to blame for the "casual" targeting. Nintendo released a lot of pretty good games like Eternal Darkness and Pikmin that went completely unnoticed by the general public. That alone should be a telling story why they're not creating games targetted towards the hardcores. They even signed an exclusive deal with Capcom and got Square-Enix games back to their system.

Seriously, Nintendo did almost everything people wanted on the Gamecube. They try but in the end, it wasn't enough. Like you said, a new plan was needed. Good thing they succeeded. It just wouldn't feel the same playing Mario on an Xbox.