The console wars

@ HentaiGuru: Improve your logic. One lost exclusive doesn't mean the end of Sony. What does Netflix have to do with anything anyway?

While I would agree with you normally, part of Sony's whole platform is Blu-Ray technology and being a massive multimedia center, so Netflix is a fair point in favor of 360.

There is really little point in arguing who the "winner" of the console wars is going to be cause the wii won that a long time ago. The wii has over 20 million more units sold then the 360 with no sign of those numbers slowing down in sales so there is little point in continuing to argue it. I still believe that the PS3 is going to come in second out of all of this. Our economy and it's $399 price isn't helping. Also you have to keep in mind that the 360 had a whole year head start of the PS3 to make a core foundation for it's sales. The 360 has 9 million more units sold world wide then the PS3 does. 95% of those sales are in America. The PS3 still beats the 360 in Japan at about a 3/1 sale rate. If you count the rest of the world that is selling these consoles the 360 is only beating the PS3 by about 1.5 million consoles.

Hopefully we will see a boost in sales for the PS3 when the Slim version comes out and the price drops.

final fantasy 13 on xbox could hold the record for most discs for a game the ff13 demo alone would take 2 almost 3 discs unless they cut a whole lot of corners the game will be over 6 discs easy

Hah youre dreaming buddy.

Compression does wonders. I love how everyone assumes it is going to take a butt load of discs, when there is nothing saying, in the ballpark, how many discs it is going to take. I mean Lost Odyssey took four discs, but Mistwalker didn't compress a lot of data that could have been compressed. Plus they had five, full language options, which to this day I fail to see the point.



Wonder if that will be indicative of the end of this generations life cycle as the PS2 slim was last year. Nothing like releasing a new model a year or two before the consoles are cast aside from the new generation. I fail to see Sony's logic in that one. At least the PS2 still had some support afterwards, but at the rate the PS3 is going it won't likely have the same post-generation support that the PS2 had.

So a drop in price won't bring in more sales? That's weird cause that always seems to be one of the first arguments as to why it isn't selling as well as the 360.



Sony runs on the ten year program. Introducing a new console next would be a big mistake since there's really no need to. I would expect the 360 to eventually follow in the PS3s foot steps with blu ray. Probably in the next generation or in a new SKU. What Nintendo will do with the wii I have no clue. They seems to have found the best selling formula ever so there's no need to change.

Compression requires the data to be decompressed. Decompression takes time. Do you want longer loading times than you already have?


The DS' three iterations and the PSP's various iterations disagree with you on that remark.

Ever wondered how they could cram the likes of Crysis onto one DVD?
Compression mate works wonders on just about everything.
I suspect the reason for the huge file size for final fantasy is due to the fact it's got masses of pre-rendered cg cut scenes included.
Otherwise it's all just he masses of textures for characters, scripting for animation can be kept relatively small and executed on the fly.

But this is all just speculation though.

Load times aren't that bad on the 360. They are still faster than the average load times on the PS3 so if they can be about equal then that is fine by me, and even if that meant longer load times I don't really mind. I don't know why we come to hate load times so much. Is every current gamer some 5-year-old who never grew up with a PSX or the other early CD-ROM based systems. Jeez. It's like, go buy a Commodore Vic20 or 64 and put a floppy-disc game in and wait for it to load. You'll have a whole new appreciation for these "ridiculous" load times of this generation.

Oh yeah because the DS and PSP's multiple versions are so special. I hate it when they pull that. Let's out random, mostly useless features and charge people extra for it. Yeah, that's a great marketing strategy. I'll give the PSP small credit because there is quite a difference in load times between the 1000 and 2000, but the 3000 is a joke. The DS to DS Lite was stupid. Oh, little smaller, lighter, and a GBA cartridge that sticks out like a sore thumb, and don't even get me started on the DSi. Dumbest thing Nintendo has come up with yet. PSP Go? Oh come on.

i dont care all that much about multi discs games i have ff7,8,9 but the demo for 13 was 5gb and that was almost 30min of gameplay i would say it will be atleast a 50/60+ hours i would actually like a multi disc ps3 game the longer the game the better

If it's just 5 GBs then the Final fantasy demo could have fit on a 360 disk. The 360 uses DVD9 disks which hold 7.5 GBs of data. FF13 will require multiple disks that is for sure and yes it might be the most multiple disked game yet for the 360. For all the crap Blur ray and the PS3 get for having blu ray it is still amazing no matter how much fanboys of other consoles complain. 200GBs on a single disk fucking rapes DVD9's 7.5GBs.

The same could be said about the 360(except even more games are transferred to the PS3, and with bonuses). Look at ToV, Bioshock, Eternal Sonata to name a few. Exclusives are timed nowadays.


Or $399.


Though I don't find any problem in the load times(as I used to play the old consoles), the main reason people still complain is because they expect that the technology in their game consoles to be fast enough to almost eliminate loadtimes. However, the better the console, the better the game, the more data to be processed.


They seem to be selling, which means that it was a great marketing strategy. You have to remember that you're talking about the juggernauts Sony and Nintendo, whose fanbase consists of people willing to buy nearly anything they spew out.

there working on TB blu ray discs there are 500 and 750 but those havnt been used outside rewritable dvds

Quick question.. every time i post in this thread i get -rep.. WTF?!?!

My point was that allmost every game that says "exclusive" has gone Multi-Platform
Anyway.. the $499 was being sarcastic.. I own a PS3.. and bought it for $399.. Honestly I dont think anyone could sit there and say thier console is better without owning and using all 3.. and Netflix is a huge contributing factor to why the xbox360 would/could be the best console to get.. yes PS3 has Blue-Ray, but why go out and buy a $30-$40 movie when you could just pop the movie into your instint que and watch it... theres what.. I'd speculate about a few million people that use netflix? I bet almost every1 of them owns an xbox360..

I'm just saying that the Xbox Experience is better then the PS3.. and more and more games are/will be Multi-Platform.. thus why buy a ps3 for a game you can get on your 360? it negates the entire reason to buy a console just for a game.. which most HC Gamers would do..

Honestly, the only thing going for the PS3 right now is MAG...

Oh yeah and heres another Reason why the 360 will top the PS3 - Project Natal

Again I own all three consoles.. and I still believe that the Xbox 360 Is not only the best Console for the money, but provides the best Online Experience.. and with most games going Multi-Platform, Is the best choice for someone to buy.

So a movie rental service is the reason the 360 is the console everyone should buy? If that's the case then I am sure this thing called the computer must be the must own thing for everyone as well.

As you know the PS3 has movie rental and buying options as well not to mention you can stream movies on a PS3 from Netflix as well. So I don't see why it's a huge contributing factor when it is nothing special at all.



I guess you're right. Oh wait. You have bought a PS3 and a 360. Why was that?



Yeah I suppose that is the only thing. Being an awesome blu ray player as well as having a free online network certainly wouldn't be any reason to buy it. Not to mention any of the exclusives Sony will get (Admittedly exclusives do sometimes go multiplatform but certainly not all or even a large margin).



Wow interactivity. Wii totally didn't come up with that first. The 360 and PS3 just want some of the amazing fucking money Nintendo is raking in with crap like this. Not to mention the PS3 does have it's own version of the interactive play now.

natal is retarded motion controls in general i fucking hate it is not that im lazy but natal isnt going to be pin point accurate so i dont care when it is like futurama internet ill care. really would you want video games based on your athletic skill natal will ruin video games and there is a good chance could kill off xbox cause mircosoft is going to push and push natal till it is just a better wii and there will be no hardcore games on xbox so have fun playing xbox sports and painting stupid elephants cause thats what it will come to

Admittedly, my experince with the 360 has been limited as to the number of games played (seeing as how I don't actually have one), but I think the fact that Microsoft added the option of putting the disk image on the hard drive is indicative of just how bad things have gotten. Oh, and just because the Commodore and PSX had some shitty load times doesn't make for an adequate excuse for current gen. consoles to have the same.


Judging from how much they have sold, I would suggest removing the sarcasm from your remark.


I would certainly hope that they would have the best online experience. Not only are you paying for it, but it's from a company that specializes in computer software rather than video gaming and merchandising Nintendo or Multimedia-focused Sony.

Of course it does. It's basic math. More data means more time to read. I don't know where we came up with this concept that load times are outdated. They are never going to go away. For every time we have a new device that reads data faster, we have mediums that contain more and more data. Two progressively increasing, meaning one isn't going to go away.

I have an original (fat) DS and a PSP-1000. I have no reason to buy any more versions. I fail to see why so many people continue to buy multiple versions. It is a colossal waste of money but whatever floats your boat I guess.

The DS Lite is vastly superior to that fat failure the DS once was, upgrading to a Lite only makes sense.
Buying a new DS for that camera, or whatever it was, however makes no sense, the fuck would i want with a camera on my DS..