Should girls be allowed to dress however they want even if its totally slutty?
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MissM wrote...
PumpJack McGee wrote...
It's a dangerous world out there. Take precautions. If you're gonna go out without underwear, include a can of mace in your wardrobe.YES
Harontiar wrote...
people whom [rapists] see us [sic] more vulnerable are more likely to be victimized. Whatever turns you on, yo.
Heck, the law enforcers are not always there to save our butts. We should also do something for ourselves.
Rape is not about sating sexual desire. Rape is about power, plain and simple - the illusion, temporary as it may be, that because Person A can derive sexual pleasure from Person B, that Person A is somehow more deserving, more entitled, more powerful than Person B.
On the note of the law, please see below.
To respond to the argument about not locking your car is "inviting" someone to rob you, that's a flawed construct, IMO.
To me, the lock on the car corresponds to knowing self-defense, carrying a whistle, etc. (in other words, being proactive). The car's make, model, paint job, condition, etc. are all more equivalent to clothing; people will judge you based on them no matter what you do. Many people want that and buy expensive cars or get custom paint jobs to influence that judgement, regardless of whether or not that conclusion is true or not (e.g. big trucks as compensatory measures, buying a car that's out of one's budget). By the same token, many people buy/wear certain clothes to communicate their intent.
Just like how you'd never actually want someone to rob your car, or have the perpetrator be let off scot-free in a court of law with the justification of saying "it was unlocked," a rapist shouldn't be excused because someone isn't proactive about what they should and shouldn't do in order to avoid getting targeted by rapists.
(The fact that it shouldn't be the would-be victim's responsibility to ward off attacks is another matter altogether.)
Yes, the law will not always be present to prevent crimes. Yes, there is value in self-reliance. But that does not in any way, shape, or form lighten the burden of the legal system to perform its most basic function: protect its constituents.
Pardon me for the typographical error. It was actually meant as 'as'.
I want to clarify something first. Are you debunking my standpoint? To clear up what I have said, I'm not encouraging/tolerating rape, disregarding the right of women, discriminating, or denying them the equal protection of laws, which includes their right of having a just trial. I am aware of the essence of rape, even though it has varying legal definitions, and I know that the main issue here is 'victim-blaming'.
That is a very good analogy, though I personally think we don't need to complicate things any further. I don't really understand the reasoning behind their movement. Is it about the 'due process of law' or the 'general perception of the public' regarding rape? I see it as that maybe because of the cultural and societal differences. In the country where I currently live, the people, including me, are much aware of the rights of women due to the law passed by the legislature which is titled as the "Magna Carta of Women".
(Ref: http://www.chanrobles.com/republicacts/republicactno9710.php). Moreover, we respect women as a co-equal of men in the society, and for whatever they are. It seems like we are talking about the concept of rape in general, so I think it would be irrelevant on this case. Anyway, I see it as inappropriate to name it as "Slut Movement" because the people may have a misconception on the message they want to impart to the public.
In spite of all this, I strongly believe there is nothing wrong with giving advice to the people that will serve as a precautionary measure to avoid being victimized. We can still do whatever you want, but for every action we make, there are always risks involved. For instance, even by just walking aimlessly can lead to unforeseen incidents such as being snatched, raped, killed, or even worse. Indeed, rapists don't choose whom they want to victimize, and it is not an excuse to blame the victim for what had been committed to them, because it is, no matter how you look at it, a decision made by the assaulter, and thus, an intentional act that tends to violate the law.
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Keitaro Ito wrote...
Slut Movement VideoWatch this video and tell me whether or not it should be allowed or not - Also vote in the poll.
Thanks.
P.s Tell us why you think it should or should not be allowed too..
Thinking with my head. Yes I believe they should, But in my heart I say no. Just proves I need to mature
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I like the idea. I may have been raised to be classy, but I believe women should wear what they want. I got wet when the girl mentioned skirt and no panties. We shouldnt limit what women should wear to avoid rape victims, we should show the guys who are so desperate they need to rape a girl to get pleasure some really good porn sites. Solve the problem, don't just make it harder for the problem to occur
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Harontiar wrote...
I want to clarify something first. Are you debunking my standpoint?Not at all - I agree that well-intentioned advice is a good practice. My point was simply that sexual appeal or lack thereof has little to nothing to do with rape; it's not about "whatever turns [them] on," but rather about the perception of power.
Harontiar wrote...
I don't really understand the reasoning behind their movement. Is it about the 'due process of law' or the 'general perception of the public' regarding rape?. . .Anyway, I see it as inappropriate to name it as "Slut Movement" because the people may have a misconception on the message they want to impart to the public.I think it's more about the public perception, and to that end, I find it appropriate to call it the "slut movement." Using "slut" as a term of empowerment, of ownership of one's sexuality, reduces the word's effectiveness as a derogatory term, and that is part and parcel of deconstructing the implicit connection of sexual promiscuity and dress often labeled by the same word.
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The question is those, why would a girl honestly WANT to look like that? I only want to show off what I've got to one person. The person I WANT to be attracted to me. Dressing 'slutty' is just a cry for attention. If you have real self esteem you won't feel the need to stand out by showing off skin. I mean yes, freedom and all that jazz is all well and good, but have some god damn dignity. Some girls can't help having voluptuous figures but that isn't the same thing as dressing for the sake of looking sexually appealing. If you want to look good, just wear something cute or pretty or even tastefully sexy. Pick one thing (boobs, legs, ass) and show it off but keep the rest covered. Save the slutty stuff for the bedroom.
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Alora wrote...
The question is those, why would a girl honestly WANT to look like that? I only want to show off what I've got to one person. The person I WANT to be attracted to me. Dressing 'slutty' is just a cry for attention. If you have real self esteem you won't feel the need to stand out by showing off skin. I mean yes, freedom and all that jazz is all well and good, but have some god damn dignity. Some girls can't help having voluptuous figures but that isn't the same thing as dressing for the sake of looking sexually appealing. If you want to look good, just wear something cute or pretty or even tastefully sexy. Pick one thing (boobs, legs, ass) and show it off but keep the rest covered. Save the slutty stuff for the bedroom.Freedom of movement?
Freedom of expression?
Why should anyone be limited to "pick one thing" to emphasize when there's so much to love about all human forms? :)
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MissM wrote...
Harontiar wrote...
I want to clarify something first. Are you debunking my standpoint?Not at all - I agree that well-intentioned advice is a good practice. My point was simply that sexual appeal or lack thereof has little to nothing to do with rape; it's not about "whatever turns [them] on," but rather about the perception of power.
Harontiar wrote...
I don't really understand the reasoning behind their movement. Is it about the 'due process of law' or the 'general perception of the public' regarding rape?. . .Anyway, I see it as inappropriate to name it as "Slut Movement" because the people may have a misconception on the message they want to impart to the public.I think it's more about the public perception, and to that end, I find it appropriate to call it the "slut movement." Using "slut" as a term of empowerment, of ownership of one's sexuality, reduces the word's effectiveness as a derogatory term, and that is part and parcel of deconstructing the implicit connection of sexual promiscuity and dress often labeled by the same word.
I see it as more of like the preference of the rapists that can also be considered as a determining factor for one's motive for doing such criminal act. It is the perspective of the assaulter himself. Even so, no matter how a person perceive it, the poor judgement is clearly his fault. The perception of power can also be applied on this.
Okay, then. It is only my opinion anyway. I believe that if they want to change the perception of the people regarding the word 'slut', then the society is the one that needs to change first. It is a long road towards their objective, but it is not that far from the possibility to happen. Change can be attained one step at a time.
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If men must follow a dress code, so should women.
I'm tired of feminists who blahber all day about women's rights, but turn a blind eye to men (Unless they're painting them as chauvinists...)
Fact is, as much as I like boobies, you wouldn't want me running around with my dick hanging out.
I believe these feminists are so obsessed with women's rights, they forget about men's rights.
If they get attacked, isn't it the governments fault for not protecting them well enough?
Freedom of movement, freedom of speech and freedom of dress.
In America, is it not the government's job to protect us. That's what your Sawnoff shotgun is for.
I'm tired of feminists who blahber all day about women's rights, but turn a blind eye to men (Unless they're painting them as chauvinists...)
Fact is, as much as I like boobies, you wouldn't want me running around with my dick hanging out.
I believe these feminists are so obsessed with women's rights, they forget about men's rights.
Gubi wrote...
Quite frankly, what's wrong with dressing how you want?If they get attacked, isn't it the governments fault for not protecting them well enough?
Freedom of movement, freedom of speech and freedom of dress.
In America, is it not the government's job to protect us. That's what your Sawnoff shotgun is for.
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artcellrox
The Grey Knight :y
Baka-Chu~ wrote...
I like the idea. I may have been raised to be classy, but I believe women should wear what they want. I got wet when the girl mentioned skirt and no panties. We shouldnt limit what women should wear to avoid rape victims, we should show the guys who are so desperate they need to rape a girl to get pleasure some really good porn sites. Solve the problem, don't just make it harder for the problem to occurSlight problem: rapists rarely ever do it for the pleasure. They do it for the power, and the rush they feel from literally and physically dominating someone. Pleasure doesn't come into the equation, as sexual as rape is, and dress code or no, these sickos will act out. Honestly, I believe, to a rapist, a hooker is no more likely a target than a well-dressed office lady.
Since I'm making a post, might as well chime in...
OT: I think Lishy above me basically summed up my own thoughts on this. It's really fine to dress how one wants, but there should be a certain level of decency. I mean, I love girl's boobs too, but I don't wanna see it in public almost always. There's a time and place for everything.
That said, I don't like how they glorified themselves as sluts. Your clothes don't make you slutty, your promiscuity does. You really could dress in a tank top, tight denim shorts, fishnet stockings and boots, and still turn out to be a virgin. On the flip side, even the nicest looking girl you've ever laid your eyes on could have slept with more than 10 guys.
Also, like I said, rapists will rape, regardless of clothing or sexual history. If an assaulter says your outfit is asking for rape, it's bullshit. Truth is, he may have had rape in his mind beforehand, and is just trying to sugarcoat what he's saying (forgive me if that's not the right word to use here).
P.S. This is off-topic, but I feel the need to say this: Waar, you're a dick for that post you made here. Not even a bit of a dick, no. Full on bullshit. And as you may have inferred from Important Quotes, yes, I seriously wanted to bash your face in for that.
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Adding onto my post from before:
The reason I don't give a crap is because I don't equal rape to how women dress. Sure, it is a correlating factor, but I don't believe men rape women simply because of how they dress.
I find this movement incredibly rude, and sexist towards men. Whether they intend it or not, they are suggesting we are uncontrolled ogres without restraints.
While that may be true to a certain extent, to say all men would actually rape a woman over it is sheer sexism!
The reason I don't give a crap is because I don't equal rape to how women dress. Sure, it is a correlating factor, but I don't believe men rape women simply because of how they dress.
I find this movement incredibly rude, and sexist towards men. Whether they intend it or not, they are suggesting we are uncontrolled ogres without restraints.
While that may be true to a certain extent, to say all men would actually rape a woman over it is sheer sexism!
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
In my opinion: No, no they shouldn't.
As said earlier, all they are asking for, is to be raped.
I won't really go into detail, cause I can't be arsed... but, 'I feel I should be allowed to wear a thong and tights, or even no underpants and a skirt, and it not be consent for me to get raped' made me lose my shit... is she retarded?
As said earlier, all they are asking for, is to be raped.
I won't really go into detail, cause I can't be arsed... but, 'I feel I should be allowed to wear a thong and tights, or even no underpants and a skirt, and it not be consent for me to get raped' made me lose my shit... is she retarded?
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Drifter995 wrote...
I won't really go into detail, cause I can't be arsed... but, 'I feel I should be allowed to wear a thong and tights, or even no underpants and a skirt, and it not be consent for me to get raped' made me lose my shit... is she retarded?
Well ain't the slut walk more about laws than society?
If I go to the town square and shout "NIGGER-NIGGER-NIGGER-NIGGER!!!!!" isn't that technically legal?
It follows the same logic where a big, fat, black guy would punch me in the face and give me a split lip, but isn't it technically protected by law, whereas running around as a shirtless woman is not?
I'm against the slutwalk, but I just want to acknowledge that note.
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
Lishy1 wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
I won't really go into detail, cause I can't be arsed... but, 'I feel I should be allowed to wear a thong and tights, or even no underpants and a skirt, and it not be consent for me to get raped' made me lose my shit... is she retarded?
Well ain't the slut walk more about laws than society?
If I go to the town square and shout "NIGGER-NIGGER-NIGGER-NIGGER!!!!!" isn't that technically legal?
It follows the same logic where a big, fat, black guy would punch me in the face and give me a split lip, but isn't it technically protected by law, whereas running around as a shirtless woman is not?
I'm against the slutwalk, but I just want to acknowledge that note.
I really can't concentrate... for some reason... I may have a.d.d and not know it. hmm.
But do you mean, it's not covered as in they want it to not be consent for rape? as in if they do that and get raped, it's their own fault? I'm like... not even thinking straight at the moment.
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Drifter995 wrote...
Lishy1 wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
I won't really go into detail, cause I can't be arsed... but, 'I feel I should be allowed to wear a thong and tights, or even no underpants and a skirt, and it not be consent for me to get raped' made me lose my shit... is she retarded?
Well ain't the slut walk more about laws than society?
If I go to the town square and shout "NIGGER-NIGGER-NIGGER-NIGGER!!!!!" isn't that technically legal?
It follows the same logic where a big, fat, black guy would punch me in the face and give me a split lip, but isn't it technically protected by law, whereas running around as a shirtless woman is not?
I'm against the slutwalk, but I just want to acknowledge that note.
I really can't concentrate... for some reason... I may have a.d.d and not know it. hmm.
But do you mean, it's not covered as in they want it to not be consent for rape? as in if they do that and get raped, it's their own fault? I'm like... not even thinking straight at the moment.
Saying nigger= first amendment
Dressing slutty= against the law?
Correct me if I'm wrong, please. I do know the Slut Walk does deal with many issues though, and many contradict each other.
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I don't know.. let them dress what they want. Even if it hurts my eyes. it's their choice not mine
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
Lishy1 wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
Lishy1 wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
I won't really go into detail, cause I can't be arsed... but, 'I feel I should be allowed to wear a thong and tights, or even no underpants and a skirt, and it not be consent for me to get raped' made me lose my shit... is she retarded?
Well ain't the slut walk more about laws than society?
If I go to the town square and shout "NIGGER-NIGGER-NIGGER-NIGGER!!!!!" isn't that technically legal?
It follows the same logic where a big, fat, black guy would punch me in the face and give me a split lip, but isn't it technically protected by law, whereas running around as a shirtless woman is not?
I'm against the slutwalk, but I just want to acknowledge that note.
I really can't concentrate... for some reason... I may have a.d.d and not know it. hmm.
But do you mean, it's not covered as in they want it to not be consent for rape? as in if they do that and get raped, it's their own fault? I'm like... not even thinking straight at the moment.
Saying nigger= first amendment
Dressing slutty= against the law?
Correct me if I'm wrong, please. I do know the Slut Walk does deal with many issues though, and many contradict each other.
If that is the case, I can see why it'd be illegal for women... or rather GIRLS to dress slutty. reason being they'd be exposing children to the sights, other reason being as they are mostly underage (observation of local area) they are essentially cp.
Again, don't blame me if that is incoherent... I can't concentrate :|
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This subject is weird because it's mired in faux-political feelings. It's one thing to have codified dress code, but it's another to expect everyone to accept and not question tastes in clothing. Ultimately, while this particular movement is driven by a legal issue, it's ultimate end comes down to a very high-reaching societal change.
What is ultimately desired is for people to look past the clothing and not make judgments, which sounds fine at first, but there's a certain level of absurdity to that request because clothing evokes responses that women do not want, such as guys gawking at their boobs. (Rape is a different matter and is largely irrelevant because there's no actual correlation with clothing choice and rape as far as I know.) The problem isn't necessarily the gawking either. It's the gawking attached to a person that you're not interested in that makes people feel yucky.
When men stare at chests, they're not thinking, "I want to make this woman feel like a piece of meat." In fact, it's probably the opposite given that they probably want that woman's beauty in that immediate moment, but it naturally comes off as being creepy and disgusting. The same thing with dressing slutty. Women aren't parading themselves out as cheap sex when they dress skimpy, they're proudly displaying themselves. It appears that regardless of intent, things are interpreted in a certain way and that society is not wrong for discouraging this natural conflict that arises from the two sexes.
I think on an interpersonal level, it's possible for women and men to actively prevent themselves from interpreting things in the negative light, but expecting that to happen on a societal level seems a little naive.
What is ultimately desired is for people to look past the clothing and not make judgments, which sounds fine at first, but there's a certain level of absurdity to that request because clothing evokes responses that women do not want, such as guys gawking at their boobs. (Rape is a different matter and is largely irrelevant because there's no actual correlation with clothing choice and rape as far as I know.) The problem isn't necessarily the gawking either. It's the gawking attached to a person that you're not interested in that makes people feel yucky.
When men stare at chests, they're not thinking, "I want to make this woman feel like a piece of meat." In fact, it's probably the opposite given that they probably want that woman's beauty in that immediate moment, but it naturally comes off as being creepy and disgusting. The same thing with dressing slutty. Women aren't parading themselves out as cheap sex when they dress skimpy, they're proudly displaying themselves. It appears that regardless of intent, things are interpreted in a certain way and that society is not wrong for discouraging this natural conflict that arises from the two sexes.
I think on an interpersonal level, it's possible for women and men to actively prevent themselves from interpreting things in the negative light, but expecting that to happen on a societal level seems a little naive.
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Some people are capable of only drinking a beer or two and some people are alcoholics, the same goes "to the slut movement." Wear what you want but realize that it leads to assumptions about your life and personality. If you dress provacativly then you may be seen as a slut. If one is harrassed or harmed in any way because of how she or he dresses, they are not at fault but the way they dress or what they say means they bear some responsibility for what happens. But above all else, "live and let live and judge not lest ye be judged"~unknown author
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I see, Well I dont really care how women dress but if they brand themselves as sluts then thats a green light for sexual predators as far as im concerned.
If you yourself admit that you're a slut and you dress like a whore then wow... You're going to get raped by someone! (Or at the very least treated like dirt)
Its like if I acted like a thug saying shit like "Mercy is for the weak" with a Cobra Kai gi on then im gonna get crane kicked by Mr.Miyagi... Its that simple!
If you yourself admit that you're a slut and you dress like a whore then wow... You're going to get raped by someone! (Or at the very least treated like dirt)
Its like if I acted like a thug saying shit like "Mercy is for the weak" with a Cobra Kai gi on then im gonna get crane kicked by Mr.Miyagi... Its that simple!