[Locked] Simulpublished Magazines and Content Removal

It could mean a few things.
It could mean that Fakku will release a few licensed works for free.
It could mean that a subscription is in place for early access to content that could become free to view after a certain amount of time.

I have no idea what will happen, but we just have to wait for an official statement.

Even doujin-moe.us has a better model than the one Fakku is going forward with from what I understand. Which is saying something, even I can't believe I said it. At least they don't mince words, hide changes, or censor any content from their users, and keep it 50/50 free/paid content, not to mention movies.

No-one knows what kind of business model will be used yet.
I don't believe any content is being censored. Jacob said that they would publish any and all genres.

All the controversial tags are already censored and removed, and their content with it. All unlicensed content is going to get removed and censored. How is this not censoring. You can't be this naive.

Except doujin-moe is profiting off scanlation works they didn't produce. Putting a paywall up in front of content that was meant to be freely shared due to an availability issue is never okay.

What FAKKU is doing is creating that legal availability option. Not putting a pay wall in front of unlicensed content.

What censorship? If you mean the removal of certain content / tags or the removal of unlicensed content, it's a necessary and required step for us to take in order to create a legitimate means of allowing users to acquire this content. The aim here is to provide fans of these works with a legal means to support the artists, while getting a high quality product in return.

Bye bye, Fakku.

That's actually not entirely true. They have their own in-house translation team that is doing a good bulk of the work they put out. Just today they put out 16 new doujins/mangas all translated by their in-house team, and half of it is free.

The tags, I'm assuming, will be back. Why wouldn't they, when the feature to show them or not, was new implemented and released. They probably just turned the filter on for everyone because it was the easiest way to start with the process of removing unlicensed content.

Unlicensed content has to go mostly likely due to legal/social ramification. I mean, Japanese publications and artists could probably blackball Wani for doing business with a site that hosts pirated content.

LOL

Baffling isn't it? They're supporting someone who is profiting off of scanlations, where the artists aren't seeing any of the money mind you, but they're attacking Fakku who will actually be licensed, and the artists actually will see a share of the money, as they should. How the hell are people rationalizing that?

You're wrong. The majority of uploads on Doujin-Moe come from scanlation groups completely unrelated to Doujin-Moe, they take those scanlations and put them behind a paywall without asking the scanlators for permission. When we had a scanlation team they would frequently take our releases (that were free on FAKKU) and charge people money for them. And none of the content on Doujin-Moe is licensed, it is all unlicensed.

I challenge you to quote me where I said any support for them. Taking things out of context for a strawman argument is dumb.



I don't deny it and I didn't say anything to the contrary, now you're just putting words in my mouth where I said nothing that wasn't factual. It's no different from a scanlator charging for a commission. Point still stands, this move sucks, the censorship sucks, and the lack of transparency sucks.

My mistake, you said they have a better model than Fakku. How is their model better when the artists aren't being compensated and only Doujinmoe is making money, whereas purchases from Fakku are licensed by the content owners? Being licensed is a critical difference, it's not a nitpick. One is legit, the other isn't. I don't even have to ask you which one you think the artists would support, since we already know.

The only way you can say Doujinmoe is better is if you don't actually care whether the content creators are compensated, which is kind of contradictory for someone who is passionate about their fapping material.

It seems like the center of all of the complaints stems from two major issues:

1. missing content
2. pay-walls

I'm sure that Fakku is well aware of this and simply hasn't been clear on how they'll address them, it does seem that they're still making the necessary agreements to figure out how to. But as long as they understand that the people coming to an almost entirely free site aren't eager to spend money and that all the content that was previously on the site (unlicensed content and missing tags alike) is still on the site and make decisions accordingly all the fuss will die out.

The difference is, everywhere else (doujinmoe included) I can find content I'm interested in. On Fakku, it's all gone now. 100% of it has been removed, and is not coming back under the new direction. That's what pisses me off the most.

I certainly hope they will be back. I guess I just have a problem with how he is executing his plans, however good the end result.
First the controversial stuff goes away with no warning(far as i know) for a while, then comes back with the option to filter them out. sweet, good for the people who don't like it. but now its all gone again? why even bring it back? why not hold the filter tool off until fakku finishes its transformation and avoid the previous scare? why did he choose to let the controversial stuff go first in this purge of unlicensed material? why all of it? why not leave SOME scraps for us to get by on while the other stuff gets axed in a similar manner?

I get where he is taking the site, I understand the destination fine and I don't have a problem with it as im waiting to see it in action to make judgments. I don't like HOW he is getting there. he's not telling us what he's doing until after the fact, he hasnt explained why all controversial stuff got the axe at once, or why it got the axe first, or why the tags are gone again.

this turned out longer than i anticipated.

Please answer the questions in this post Jacob, if at all possible, because this is most of what people are confused about.

And there's nothing wrong with being disappointed about the change.

I just don't like it when people act like what Fakku is doing is bad. It might be inconvenient for some users, but it's not bad, because they were getting things for free that they weren't entitled to. I'm not making judgements on anyone, I pirate stuff too. But I'm also now supporting licensed books now that I can.

I also think it's only fair to give them a chance and see how they do in the long term, and for that to happen they need to have a clean break from unlicensed content. They really can't proceed with a foot in both worlds, either they're going to be legit or not. And from what I've gathered piracy was no longer an option anyhow due to takedown notices, so the unlicensed content was going to be purged sooner or later. So really the choice was legit or bust.

I often see people complain about Fakku becoming a "Crunchyroll for hentai" or whatever. They say it like it's the worst thing ever. What's the gripe people have with Crunchyroll, exactly? I pay the $7 fee every month for a big list of anime (and my parents like to mooch off of it so they can watch their dramas). Don't see anything wrong with it, really. Only real gripe I have with CR is they don't usually release the DVD/BR versions (that usually take out dumb censors).

The way I see it, this can only end up being a good thing. I can pay to get quality, uncensored content on Fakku, and if there's something I can't find here, I can go find it for free on exhentai, pururin, hentai2read, or any of the other free hentai sites out there.

More choices ain't a bad thing. The biggest downside for me personally is that I'm gonna have to transfer my favorites list to other sites, but that's hardly something to whine about.

I think one of the big deals behind this whole thing is that Fakku, as a site that hosts unlicensed content for free, tends to attract certain people. These are the people that pirate stuff. I'm not saying that there's anything inherently wrong with pirating (people have their own reasons), but that's just the type of people sites like this tend to attract. Of course, there's also the fair share of people that WOULD pay for it if they could, but that's mostly because there hasn't been anywhere they could pay for it before now. So now there's a big schism between people who can't or don't want to pay for hentai and dislike this change, and people that are willing to pay for it and welcome a source of legit, high-quality hentai.

I'm personally of the latter group, but the former group isn't WRONG, per se. It's just that they're going to have to find another site, and there are plenty out there. I'm sorry if you didn't get an exhentai account before they closed that down, but as I (and many others) have said, there are many alternatives out there. A lot of people here are acting like Fakku shutting down is the end of free hentai on the internet. Back in my day, we got our porn from /h/ (and /d/ ehehehe) and we liked it.

The only real problem I can see is that with Fakku falling in line, the companies that were bearing down on Fakku may turn their sights on others. Or, they may be satisfied with the result here and will lay off (very unlikely). Maybe they just won't really care as much about those others, now that they've got Fakku. Only time will tell.

Either way, there is one thing for which you can be certain on the internet: people will always find a way to distribute free porn.

EDIT: spelling/grammar

Ok after going thru all that I got the gist of whats going on and I support Jacob in this. But the one thing I am still trying to figure out is where is all the monstergirl stuff/why was is removed? Cause I don't see why it would be controversial, unlicensed maybe.

It's all a matter of perspective. It's fine and good what Jacob's doing for the good of legality and business of Fakku. But I think what they're doing is bad, if you look at the community/userbase they've fostered and supported for 9 years or so and the site they've built, this isn't good. This is so radical and sudden a change that it alienates so many people that use this site. There's no comparison to draw for the licensed books: It had 0 impact on the site's content, and it was easy to decide if it was a book that did or didn't have content you were interested in, because normal people are not going to throw money at something they have no interest in. So when the sudden decision is made that all controversial content and tags are nuked and aren't coming back, all unlicensed content is nuked and is not coming back, and the only content going forward is licensed magazines that come in bundles only, and you have to pay for the entire magazine regardless of if it has any content you care about at all just to "not play favorites with artists", makes 0 business sense. And you won't even have any way of knowing it has anything in it that interests you until it's too late and you've bought into it, only to shovel it away in the did not read list. That's not a model I can get behind, and it's not a decision you spring on your users the day you start the purge. It's very ham-fisted.

This could potentially have been something similar to the comic book industry, and various other sites that provide it online. Where you get the choice to pay for individual chapters of only the content you're interested in. I don't understand why this is going the way of TV package subscriptions.