CANAAN ~428 The Animation~

A talk about seiyuus and the characters they portray is so damn fine with me. :D


Same goes for me about Canaan; never liked her from the start and probably never will. Although the thing about Miyuki is that while she’s pretty versatile, none of her roles (in all series she’s been which I’ve seen) has really stood out for me. If anything else, she’s doing a fantastic job with Cal (Phantom~Requiem).


ALPHARD is GREAT! as being mai waifu would be a testament to that. I would agree however, to a certain extent, that she’s not the most appealing female who ever graced the world of anime; that would be REVY. Anyways, Maaya Sakamoto has always been my favorite singer-seiyuu in the industry ever since I’ve come to know of her existence.

Nice side comment btw. If your friend would look at it on another angle, Canaan was the name originally given to Maaya’s character... thus it pretty much work both ways.


Maria? Uh… no comment. Without a doubt, her seiyuu is rather new-ish. Not that there’s any issue concerning her acting though. I for one find her voice more than fitting for the most fucked up character in the series. :razz: (fucked up meaning to say that she carries within her a much lethal virus than HIV) – I wonder if Ua could be sexually transmitted as well. Also (@Harmo) that’s one more reason as to why anyone shouldn’t just jam it into her the first chance they get.


A change of “character” is often essential to determine a seiyuu’s versatility and what not. I do believe that Rie Tanaka, who is in fact one of my favorite voice actresses of all time, has already proven that she’s more than capable and is well suited for a villainous role such as Liang Qi (mai beloved waifu). I admire those seiyuus the most who have no such thing as boundaries of what’s “ideal” or not, and could still deliver the goodies each and every time. Rie Tanaka is definitely one of those.


In what way are you disappointed? Is Haruka Tomatsu not ideal/fit for the character, or is she just too good to only be playing a minor role in this series?

Well, YunYun definitely is not a character to fuss about. I would even go as far as to say that she’s the least attractive of all the female characters in the series.. yes, even less attractive than both Maria and Canaan (or they probably are all tied up in last place, to be fair enough). I think Haruka has pretty much a tight sched already considering all the ongoing series she’s been acting on. To be picked for that many shows, that in itself is an achievement which would also prove that she’s currently at the peak of her seiyuu career and not to mention that she really is talented. Having minor/supporting roles every once in a while wouldn’t really hurt won’t it, plus most importantly, it could only add up to her earnings. Let’s not forget that being a seiyuu is such a serious profession.


I wouldn't bother asking who's your favorite character in the series. I can already tell...

For the record, Mamiko Noto is yet again another favorite of mine simply by her voice alone. The fact that she was chosen to voice Hakko pretty much implied that she could actually talk (just as I suspected anyway). Heck, would have they decided to go with Mamiko Noto otherwise?! The one thing which I could certainly agree with you about is that she honestly isn’t fit for singing. She's overall a very good seiyuu with a one of a kind voice... but that voice just ain't good enough for singing solo, sorry. :(

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The post above was written before I saw episode 7. And now that I've seen it...



LOL @ GameON's waifu! :lol:

Mai Waifus beat the crap out of her in two consecutive episodes; Liang Qi doing the most damage in the previous and Alphard inflicting some more in this one. I can't wait how Alphard plans on entertaining me more and how Liang Qi plans on executing her own now that she's gone a little bit independent. The depressed look on Cummings' face sure was priceless when Alphard mentioned about dumping her lil sis away. He was like a dog who got separated from his beloved owner.

I'll go into further details another time later cause my life's a mess at the moment! :roll:

@yuntian990: I have read your rant and while I really couldn't care less about any other country's political issues, the series hasn't really gone down towards that direction. The series is now more of like a campaign against terrorism more than of any actual political related plot involving several countries and world leaders. What's even better, the series has neither strayed away from its original concept, though becoming quite a bit more complicated with the recent developments.

I'd rather not really talk about anything unrelated to the series and as far as I'm concerned, our government is far more worse than you could ever imagine. In any case, I do get what you're saying and we'd best leave it at that. One thing that I've noticed though is that you overly contemplated on politics and shit which was not even that visible and was actually quite logical enough given the situation at hand. How exactly were you able to determine the "illogicality" of such actions... I honestly have no idea but I sure would beg to differ anyway on some of the things you've pointed out.


I'm eagerly looking forward to the next episode as the preview showcased what looks like the most sensual liplock in decades of my anime viewing career! :D

Yeah, I agree with you in this level. Let's just leave at like that since this is an place for anime.

By the way, you said, "Canaan was the name originally given to Maaya’s character." How can you tell? Well, from my point of view, this series implies that Canaan(I mean Canaan, Maria's best firend lol. I don't have any other way to make the distinction here...) is the main role, so the anime name Canaan definately indicates Canaan.....sort confusing..

You don't actually agree do you? Avoiding the issue you brought up? :razz:

When I asked, "WHAT THE FUCK is up with that?! Since when and where did that kind of culture started/originated from?", I wasn't really expecting such a rant for an answer. My question was quite directed literally to the video "subject" with no relation to the series whatsoever. You then pulled off one hell of a stunt with your response which baffled me as to why you integrated politics into the series.. and even correlated them and proceeded to question the producers' integrity concerning some illogical absurdness you saw.

This most particularly failed to make sense...

How exactly are the residents' (if by residents you mean guests, bystanders or was it rather P-residents?) panicky reactions strange upon learning of their doom?

Are you saying that it's absurd for the military to follow protocols/procedure in accordance to any order/command given to them?

Lastly, where will the viewers find realism in all that if those kinds of partially short sequences weren't shown, not to mention how can each episode possibly maximize the 20+minute broadcast duration?

I'm good about leaving things where they stand if you are. It's just that I won't be at peace without expressing my wholehearted thoughts on that particular "quoted statement" of yours.


Facts my friend... Proven and tested facts, ever since episode 4! I can't quite believe that you're asking me about this actually.





Leading to my statement that it works both ways. You could very well say that Canaan is also being voiced by Maaya Sakamoto.

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Special thanks to GameON for providing some back-up and a much needed boost of morale. Heck, I don't have to answer each of everything on my own right? Most importantly, I had most fun shooting down poor Maria on every single chance(post) that I get. :razz: You know, I had this sudden idea for a product which would no doubt sell gazillions of bucks! Instead of just about any typical anime dakimakura (hugging pillow cover), a punching bag cover would definitely suit Maria best in anime related merchandise sales! Don't you agree?! LOLOLOL!!! :lol:

I'd surely buy at least 5 of those; 1 would be for my punching bag of course, 1 to replace my front door rag, another to just cover my dart board with as to when I play, reserve another one in time any of the first two wore out, and lastly, hang the fifth one on a tree branch, pole or something (facing in the west) and set it ablaze as I watch it slowly decompose into ashes (along with Maria's printed image) while I admire yet another sunset scenery at the same time. :D

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I'm now heading back to oblivion. Later (if God will allow it), Angie's next.

Ok, That's my misunderstanding :D
I felt weird when you said, "Canaan was the name originally given to Maaya’s character." I first thought u trying to say that this animation is called Canaan becasue of Alphard, but the most obvious character in some of the posters are Canaan not Alphard, so I don't really agree with what you said. After I think about it, you bascally tried to say that Alphard also named Canaan. Of course, that's obvious.



Why not, in ep 1, what is reaction of residents there towards the death of people with bear head? Normal which is abnormal.




So, what cause people's normal in the animation and abnormal to us? I argued it's the government. Why? they have already abandoned by their own government 50 years ago when their country established. (Detailed in following paragraphes).
Since the producre is also an Asian, I guess he understood what's wrong with this country better than others because there are televison program in Japan which introduces China in many categories.






When I pointed out that, I didn't mean the action of residents in Ep. 7. I just tried remind you what the guy Jonoe said in page 3







Let's think about this way. Earth quake impacts at somewhere, and government knew it. Instead of rescuing people, the military force follows the "order" to get out the danger zone without telling anyone what's going on. So what if there is no military force helping in the animation Tokyo Mag 8.0? First, the guy who sends the order shall be executed. Second (That's my fault. I think I wrote PRA in the previous post) PLA means People's Liberty Army. They are initially people's, but in fact the government, or I shall say the dictator controls them. If the Liberty Army leaves people behind, I don't think that name is quite suitable for them. So, this brings us back to what my argument "Government doesn't care about its citizen." They only care about their own power. (Ep 7 once again reminds me about the politics there)

(Side topic)In fact, the recent earth quake happend in Wenchuan, SiChuan fully proved my argument. In the first two days, which is very important to rescue more people from the disaster, the government told the army to STAND BY. Even Japan sent a rescue team to rescue people there, and their fucking own government just sit back and watch. Guess what happen to the beneficence from western nations? 80% goes to leader's packet. One of my family number is still living in a nasty temporary shelter with others.

Once again, you don't really know what's going on there, That's why I showed the video about a scooter down!~, and no one picked up, so that you may have an idea of what I was refering to some of my thoughts about Canaan.



Of course they will. Eve no Jikan does leave us a lot to think about and it is less than 20 minute. That's is the amazement of animation.

i swear i saw a bit of SHIKI from Kara no Kyoukai in Alphard

Hmm, not exactly “yours” alone. I knew something’s off from the moment I read that comment of yours but I simply had to do it either way, in such a manner that you’d certainly clarify. Get used to it, I love testing people’s mettle. I must be able to familiarize with the users whom I talk to (or whom I’d rather like to further talk to) in the forums to a certain extent, therefore such provocative statements are often necessary.

Also, your English needs more refinement; best not take it to heart but into mind. Misconceptions/miscommunications would only lead to a discussion gone astray. I would like to avoid that as much as possible.


Your point being.. ?

Let’s stick with the anime this time and forget about the scooter video for a second. The people’s reaction towards the incident was definitely abnormal, yes. But if you’re telling me that it’s similar to parked scooters falling down and being ignored, I don’t think so. But then again, I’m not Chinese (although Asian) so I probably wouldn’t know better if it would be any different in case the series’ incident took place in an actual Chinese community.

Fact: There’s no such thing as parked scooters in an open street (such as in the video) where I’m at.


Seriously, I don’t think that you should direct every fault towards your government alone. Not that I care and neither am I interested in knowing but regardless of what or how the series’ director and producers may have conceived China as a whole, the series ain’t really about that, is it?


Your answer didn’t make a lot of sense but I think I get what you’re saying. Still, Canaan is a full-blown anime series slated for a 13-episode television run which requires each episode to last 20+ minutes long, unlike Eve no Jikan. All in all (with everything that I’ve seen so far), I’ve got nothing much to complain about. PA Works doing just about all the right things.

On a side note, I can’t exactly remember the details but from what I’ve read some time ago, Eve no Jikan was supposedly a movie of sort. Actually, I still do consider it as a film even now; one that is segmented into six parts anyway. With that said, I haven’t seen an episode past the first due to my intention of watching all of it in one go (just like an actual movie works).

Conclusion: I see no reason as to why they would choose not to show those certain abnormalities which you pointed out. It creates an impact, more of like an emphasis to those events which then adds on to the viewers' impressions and interests. Heck, since when did Eve no Jikan enter the picture?


Your vague statement made it more challenging to comprehend. :razz:


How about let's just stop and not think at all?

In all seriousness, I can’t really comment much on what you've mentioned here. Irrelevant concerns are irrelevant. I acknowledge your fault and yours alone (same goes for some of the points you've presented) though I must also admit that I over-estimated my comprehension skills in this case (how upsetting)..

Since you've mentioned Tokyo Magnitude 8.0, I presume you're also following it?


I LOL’d

What if I told you that our very own government here is the most frightening terrorist? Is there anything worse than destabilization plots where innocent citizens fell victim so just that the current people who're in position could hold on to dear power and possibly extend their term of governance?!


Will it make you happy if I told you a much frightening tale of corruption?

Sorry to hear that a relative of yours is currently in such a predicament.


Of course, I couldn’t have possibly known that can I?

Btw, I already have assimilated the idea of the video in regards to that of the series since I first saw it so what exactly are you yet again trying to prove or insinuate?

There sure is quite a lot of fun to be had here...

PS: Are we on the same page yet?

Yeah I admit that I am not that good in English, especially when the time you use some intricate phrase(I am really bad at that). For example, I don't quite understand the sentence you said, "I simply had to do it either way, in such a manner that you’d certainly clarifyand." To do it either way, are you saying that you are doing the opposite way from you original method? Or, are you saying there are two ways, and you are doing either one of them? And, in such a manner.. I don't quite get it.


I am sure that I have a lot learn more from you..So, I feel the same way that there are a lot misunderstanding going on in our replies, but maybe not everything Although the scooter video I showed is irrelevant to certain scenes in Canaan, things I said towards the government in China are definately the truth, and God knows that I hate my own government, so sometimes(maybe all the time), I may be aggressive when I saw something unacceptable in animes(or anywhere else).

Yeah, we are definately cool with each other. I appologize that my sentences sometimes seem to be offensive, but I am really not. I love to have argument with others, and I love to share my thoughts with others, too. Just like what Araragi said, "Let's talk when there is misunderstanding."


Again, I think you are right that the scooter down video really isn't suitable to explain the abnormal scene in Canaan, and I went way too far from the topic. However, in certain degree, I still think that the producer puts those scene in Canaan on purpose...

i swear i did not saw a bit of shiki from kara no kyoukai in alphard XD

shiki is shiki alphard is alphard

i like them both as two unique characters :)

I love mincing words; helps me in obscuring a few things.

Anyways, let me just paraphrase; when I said "Canaan was the name originally given to Maaya’s character" you asked me “how can you tell?” meaning that you couldn’t quite comprehend what I had meant by it. Yet, despite me knowing all along that you couldn’t have possibly missed the fact that there’s actually two Canaan in the series, I still proceeded to give you an inappropriately unnecessary answer. You then replied to clarify the misunderstanding and the rest was history.

So, have I only had gotten you more confused or what? :razz:


I sympathize with your grievances and sentiments towards your government, believe me.


Let’s settle this thing once and for all. The video was not only irrelevant to “certain scenes” in the series; it is irrelevant to the series as a whole. While I truly acknowledge and understand your point in showing it, I just cannot accept it as a physical evidence which would neither prove/justify any reasoning behind the local's ("residents" as you prefer to call them) apathy/indifference.

Also, I don’t really recall anything about ever disagreeing to the video and its unsuitability in providing a few things to think about. However it’s true that you and I have gone a bit off-the-track although the scooter really has little to do with that. It’s not exactly your fault alone anyway. No biggie, no harm done.


It’s best to leave the details up to their better judgment. No use in contemplating about every single reason behind what we’re seeing. What matters most is that we, the viewers, could make sense out of it on our own.


Glad to hear that bro. You needn't apologize at all. While I'm not exactly the 'argumentative' guy, I love to think, discuss, and speculate about all sort of things pertaining to a series that I'm watching. Hope we could further talk and exchange opinions until the bitter/sweet end of it.

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You will see Hermit!

My waifu will have revenge! When she turns into an ultimate super killing machine and kills Alphard and cause destruction to all the world and Canaan ends up needing to have yuri sex with her to save her soul!

BTW your other waifu is dammmmmm....

bitch be crazy

I agree to this 110 %

@Angie: WTF!? I can't believe you sided with him only to spite me... what did I ever do to you to deserve that? :cry:

@GameON: Yeah right, why don't you just change your name to DreamON cause as far as I'm concerned, all those things you've mentioned about your waifu extracting revenge on mine could only possibly happen in your dreams alone. :lol: (while you're at it, could you also replace your avatar with something else? just a glance at it and my eyes burn!)

If there's one thing we'd both agree on, that would be Liang Qi being one hell of a crazy bitch. Despite all that, I love her with all of my heart. You better watch out... the next time they cross paths, Alphard might not be there to stop her from mutilating your pretty battered Maria.

Heck, after everything that's been said and done, you should rather be thankful that Alphard spared her miserable life; kicked her off the wall just once and stomped on her head to help her remember. Isn't mai waifu so damn sweet? :)


Allergies? Well, how about making it to a point not to take any meds before watching this series..


Makes sense, acceptable.


Sorry, I'm but a man... I have the utmost respect for women in general (believe it or not) but unfortunately, I have none for Maria and Canaan.



* Falls asleep *

@hermit: Your pro-Alphard posts are very fun to read, and give me a chuckle. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, don't get me wrong, just saying that I rather enjoy the way you write these posts.


On-topic:

@GameON: While you did change your avi to something better, the point still remains that it's harmful to my eyes! To paraphrase, so long as it's Maria, it will be. :razz:

@Catcher: Just what I needed. A much appreciated compliment, thanks. :)

As for your "on-topic" comment, I almost took it the wrong way if not only did I read it again. Anyway, I'd most definitely be delighted to see more Alphard and/or Liang Qi in action. It doesn't have to be against and solely against Canaan of course and quite seriously, if there's at least an episode in the entire series where I wont get a single glimpse of her and her best friend, I'd be much even more delighted.

MOAR ALPHARD & MOAR LIANG QI FTW!

If only there could be less of their counterparts (canaan & maria), even better if they were NONEXISTENT at all!


Absurd reasoning is absurd... Two students training under the same teacher wouldn't make the second one the stronger; they could only be equal at most. Why would she be so concerned about that if she had already abandoned the name in the first place? How can she even take back the name that she had never lost? Affection wise, she could have disposed of the 'competition' earlier than of the "root" later, or simply eliminated both; wouldn't that make more sense?

Let's go over the facts. Alphard did mention something about Maria and her role which is to live on. That in itself suggests more than just about names and sentiments that's no longer merely in between Alphard & Canaan. I'm trying to look at a much bigger picture than just of a certain past while still treading along the lines of Siam being the key to unlocking the whole mystery.


LOL, cheesy stuff... If you'd ask me, isn't it actually quite the opposite? Wanting to protect someone (desperately or not) could only prove to be a hindrance/restriction and a source of weakness. That's what makes us people irrational beings. Most often times, we let our very emotions control our very actions which leads us to committing mistakes that we'd likely regret later on. And just what makes you think that Alphard has got no motivation of the sort, something "intangible" as significant as protecting a dear friend?

If this series is somehow of a 'shounen genre', I may have been able to accept your point wholeheartedly.


Quite a funny comparison nonetheless. The question is, can the mother bear always protect her cub in any given situation? The answer to that could also very well apply here don't you think?

I might as well refer you back to the 3rd episode. I suppose you can still remember the major event which took place in there without me telling right? So, was Canaan able to protect Maria? A capital N and a capital O, NO! What if that had been a real bomb, ka-BOOM!?

Also, it's not like Canaan's one and only objective is to safe-guard Maria. That's just secondary of her true concerns. In fact, Maria should have been pretty much out of the entire picture if not only for Liang Qi being so devious, involving/using her to get to Canaan. That's how resourceful mai waifu is. :D


And thanks again as always for sharing them, I always appreciate that. Though I may not necessarily agree to your ideas that much, it's not like I'm saying that I am right and you are wrong. I hope you wouldn't think of it in any negative way.

uh wow, i seem to have stumbled into some overly heated debates or something.

pardon my humble interruption.
anyways, i have some things to ask. mainly, what is it that people see in this? i don't mean to bash the show that much, but really, i found it to be pretty boring. i mean, i'm only up to episode 5, but i can't see the show's direction changing too much.

first off, canaan's intentions are... well, pretty cliche with her standard revenge thing, maria is annoying as shit with her "sugoi" everything, and alphard is pretty much the most boring villain ever.

and then, i found the whole "mysterious" thing pretty hard to keep interest in. like, in this case, it's more of the show revealing plot information to us rather than the plot actually progressing. sure, alphard escaped and maria got kidnapped and all that, but really alphard escaping was just to show us she's really strong, and maria getting kidnapped was just a half-episode ordeal to spark some conflict between her and canaan, which was resolved 2 episodes later.

i mean, 5 episodes in, there hasn't been a hint of any real plot. each character is after something different that has absolutely nothing to do with anyone else, which makes the character interactions seem really shallow and forced.
like, say in ep 4, what impact on any other character would there have been if canaan or alphard had killed the other?

don't get me wrong, the action is really well done, and the characters are all designed well, visually, but i find the plot and the storytelling style to be a bit tedious. did anyone else feel that way but changed their minds in the last 3 episodes? cuz i'm feeling like putting this away forever, and i don't want to miss out on something great i don't know about.

@darkbluehole - Yeah I felt the same way at first. I kind of said "this is cool but whats the point?" But I dunno if it is eps 6 or 7 that I recently started to really like this anime. But if you do stop watching it for whatever reason, I think I heard they were making a 3 part movie or something that encompasses the story (anyone else know more about what I'm talking about?) so atleast watch that.